Awful when test cricket has come to this

[Deja moo]

Why come off it? India, in all these years has been missing part-time medium-pacers as all our batsmen can only bowl part-time spin. We never had anyone who caould bowl part-time medium pace when required and this was the reason of a few losses by India in the ODIs while defending targets while going with only 2 pacers on a pace-friendly pitch as our pacers had already finished the overs almost and for the remaining overs, we never had a support medium-pacer. At this point, India have always missed a part-time medium pacer and now we have finally found one in MS Dhoni.

MS Dhonis bowling wont make a much of a difference in tests, but his part-time medium pace, might just be required in ODIs now that Ganguly is off. Also, If Taibu can bowl for Zimbabwe regularly in 2004 during the Sri Lanka series, why cant MS Dhoni do the same in a few ODIs.

Hold it there yaar. You do realise you're building up a guy who has bowled a grand total of 18 deliveries in first class cricket ?

 

[TIF]

Hold it there yaar. You do realise you're building up a guy who has bowled a grand total of 18 deliveries in first class cricket ?

No need to hold it there. MS Dhoni, might have bowled 18 deliveries in his first-class cricket, but under Greg Chappell, he is found bowling his medium-pacers regularly in the nets and it looks as if Greg Chappell, sees a decent part-time medium pacer in MS Dhoni, and would definitely like to try him out as a part-time medium pace bowling option in the ODIs. I wouldnt be surprised if MS Dhoni, is found bowling his medium-pace regularly in ODIs after 5 or so years chipping in with 4-5 overs every match when required.

 

[Deja moo]

No need to hold it there. MS Dhoni, might have bowled 18 deliveries in his first-class cricket, but under Greg Chappell, he is found bowling his medium-pacers regularly in the nets and it looks as if Greg Chappell, sees a decent part-time medium pacer in MS Dhoni, and would definitely like to try him out as a part-time medium pace bowling option in the ODIs. I wouldnt be surprised if MS Dhoni, is found bowling his medium-pace regularly in ODIs after 5 or so years chipping in with 4-5 overs every match when required.

How does that prove anything ? Pathan did not bowl a single delivery in the nets after the second test. Does that mean he wont be bowling a lot in tests ? Could it just not be a case of the host not providing good enough net bowlers for the Indian batsmen ( and believe me, that does happen, and on purpose), thus necessitating that someone from the team have a go at the batsmen ?

 

[Langeveldt]

Not as good as AB de V though!

 

[Matteh]

and would definitely like to try him out as a part-time medium pace bowling option in the ODIs. I wouldnt be surprised if MS Dhoni, is found bowling his medium-pace regularly in ODIs after 5 or so years chipping in with 4-5 overs every match when required.

Ahh like the mighty Paul Collingwood

 

[marc71178]

No need to hold it there. MS Dhoni, might have bowled 18 deliveries in his first-class cricket, but under Greg Chappell, he is found bowling his medium-pacers regularly in the nets and it looks as if Greg Chappell, sees a decent part-time medium pacer in MS Dhoni, and would definitely like to try him out as a part-time medium pace bowling option in the ODIs. I wouldnt be surprised if MS Dhoni, is found bowling his medium-pace regularly in ODIs after 5 or so years chipping in with 4-5 overs every match when required.

So he's bowling in the nets - and you'll now tell us that no other non-bowler has ever turned ghis arm over in the nets to help give batting practice?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

MS Dhonis bowling wont make a much of a difference in tests, but his part-time medium pace, might just be required in ODIs now that Ganguly is off. Also, If Taibu can bowl for Zimbabwe regularly in 2004 during the Sri Lanka series, why cant MS Dhoni do the same in a few ODIs.

India >>> Zimbabwe.

When Taibu was bowling it was because even as the 'keeper, he was still one of the best bowlers in the team. It's not the same.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Boucher? A guy who can't score runs even on a flat wicket like that needs that sort of a skill to fall back on. Not the big D.

Heh. Just a btw comment here... is it just me, or does Boucher seem to have something to prove with the bat these days? He certainly seems to be applying himself more.

 

[Neil Pickup]

No need to hold it there. MS Dhoni, might have bowled 18 deliveries in his first-class cricket, but under Greg Chappell, he is found bowling his medium-pacers regularly in the nets and it looks as if Greg Chappell, sees a decent part-time medium pacer in MS Dhoni, and would definitely like to try him out as a part-time medium pace bowling option in the ODIs. I wouldnt be surprised if MS Dhoni, is found bowling his medium-pace regularly in ODIs after 5 or so years chipping in with 4-5 overs every match when required.

Don't happen to know someone by the name of Amit, do you?

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Boucher? A guy who can't score runs even on a flat wicket like that needs that sort of a skill to fall back on. Not the big D.

Haha, you've got me there.

 

[TIF]

How does that prove anything ? Pathan did not bowl a single delivery in the nets after the second test. Does that mean he wont be bowling a lot in tests ? Could it just not be a case of the host not providing good enough net bowlers for the Indian batsmen ( and believe me, that does happen, and on purpose), thus necessitating that someone from the team have a go at the batsmen ?

So he's bowling in the nets - and you'll now tell us that no other non-bowler has ever turned ghis arm over in the nets to help give batting practice?

What is wrong in trying out MS Dhoni as a part-time bowling option in ODIs. We all know that Greg Chappell, ever since he has come in been known to make innovations like Irfan Pathan opening the batting and he has completely turned Irfan Pathan into an all-rounder by placing a lot of faith in his batting.

I will not be surprised if he does the same with MS Dhoni and tries to make a regular part-time medium-pacer out of MS Dhoni. He does seem to have the pace and bowled around 110-120 kph when he bowled in the 2nd test. And he wasnt the 11th bowler to be tried either. He was only the 7th bowler to have a go, showing that he got to bowl ahead of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman in the team.

MS Dhoni is in the side mainly for his big hitting and keeping, but then to have him away from the stumps for 5-6 overs in a match wont do any harm as we will be seeing him bowl his medium-pacers in that time.

 

[TIF]

Don't happen to know someone by the name of Amit, do you?

Which Amit are you talking about - None out of Amit Mishra and Amit Pagnis are medium-pacers or they were wicket-keepers either. Amit Mishra is a spinner who played a few ODIs way back in 2003, but not much has been known about him since then and Amit Pagnis is a left-handed opening batsman for the Railways Ranji team. If he has to even have a chance for getting anywhere close to the selection, he will need the big scores, but it doesnt look likely that these 2 players are anywhere near Indian team selection in the near future.

Another Amit, if you mean him, was Amit Bhandari and he played a lone ODI against Zimbabwe in 2004 after the Asia cup 2000 and has taken 5 ODI wickets. He, looks to be strongly built, but then he never had the pace. Was in contention for the Indian team spot 2 years ago, and he plays Ranji trophy for Delhi and was their captain for a few matches. He will need to have more wickets, and build up an extra pace if he is to be counted for seletion again.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Which Amit are you talking about - None out of Amit Mishra and Amit Pagnis are medium-pacers or they were wicket-keepers either. Amit Mishra is a spinner who played a few ODIs way back in 2003, but not much has been known about him since then and Amit Pagnis is a left-handed opening batsman for the Railways Ranji team. If he has to even have a chance for getting anywhere close to the selection, he will need the big scores, but it doesnt look likely that these 2 players are anywhere near Indian team selection in the near future.

Another Amit, if you mean him, was Amit Bhandari and he played a lone ODI against Zimbabwe in 2004 after the Asia cup 2000 and has taken 5 ODI wickets. He, looks to be strongly built, but then he never had the pace. Was in contention for the Indian team spot 2 years ago, and he plays Ranji trophy for Delhi and was their captain for a few matches. He will need to have more wickets, and build up an extra pace if he is to be counted for seletion again.

Wow. That's quite impressive for an entirely irrelevant post. None of the above.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What is wrong in trying out MS Dhoni as a part-time bowling option in ODIs. We all know that Greg Chappell, ever since he has come in been known to make innovations like Irfan Pathan opening the batting and he has completely turned Irfan Pathan into an all-rounder by placing a lot of faith in his batting.

Pathan has been batting all his career. Dhoni has bowled 18 balls all his career. Again, huge difference. Dhoni may not be an old dog yet, but it's not as easy as you seem to think to learn to bowl at international level, especially when you're a wicketkeeper by trade.

It's one thing to bowl. It's an entirely different thing to bowl effectively.

I will not be surprised if he does the same with MS Dhoni and tries to make a regular part-time medium-pacer out of MS Dhoni. He does seem to have the pace and bowled around 110-120 kph when he bowled in the 2nd test. And he wasnt the 11th bowler to be tried either. He was only the 7th bowler to have a go, showing that he got to bowl ahead of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman in the team.

Are you serious? That says nothing. He didn't bowl because India was desperate for wickets. He bowled because the pitch was a farce.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Where'd you get the pics Jack_Sparrow?

Scouting the internet for highlights of the match, got on this huge Pakistani forums...they post everything there! Highlights of almost every major match, English cricket related programs, and some people even put pics there.

 

[Smudge]

Don't happen to know someone by the name of Amit, do you?

He certainly seems to have the "Fever"...

 

[Deja moo]

Heh. Just a btw comment here... is it just me, or does Boucher seem to have something to prove with the bat these days? He certainly seems to be applying himself more.

Bouchers good. We're just going with the flow

 

[TIF]

He certainly seems to have the "Fever"...

I dont get it. Who is this "Amit"? and What "fever" I am having?

After Mr Mxyzptlk said that the "Amit" in question is not a cricketer, now can I ask that is he a member out here on Cricketweb?

 

[TIF]

Pathan has been batting all his career. Dhoni has bowled 18 balls all his career. Again, huge difference. Dhoni may not be an old dog yet, but it's not as easy as you seem to think to learn to bowl at international level, especially when you're a wicketkeeper by trade.

It's one thing to bowl. It's an entirely different thing to bowl effectively.

Are you serious? That says nothing. He didn't bowl because India was desperate for wickets. He bowled because the pitch was a farce.

What difference does it make that MS Dhoni has bowled only 18 deliveries in his entire career. Flintoff, knew nothing about bowling when he made his England debut and now he is the no.1 all-rounder in the world.

Also, for years, Indias problem has been a lack of a batsman who can bowl part-time medium-pace. Now, when we are finally getting someone who can bowl part-time medium-pace in MS Dhoni, people are refusing to believe it and have went to the extent of saying that MS Dhoni shouldnt bowl

I just cant understand the Indian fans. For years they look for something and when they finally get it, they just dont beleive it and just dont know how to handle it.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Bouchers good. We're just going with the flow

Yep. That's why it was a 'btw' comment. Just popped into my head then.