Australia's Dominance Is Because............

[age_master]

effective back up, no i dont think so, our backup pplayers usually do pretty well, when ever we need them, which in not that often - can you find another interational side with more depth???

 

[Shawn Badyk]

depth

Australia has more depth than any other nation in the world so I laughed when someone said that Australia lacks depth. In batting Australia are quite comfortable in depth, but in seam bowling they are short and in spin bowling too.

 

[hourn]

Except in a lack of effective back-up.

i dont know about that...........

our depth is generally pretty good, particularly in batting. bowling not so great, but Ashley Noffke would've played test cricket if he were born in any other country in the world IMO.

 

[marc71178]

i dont know about that...........

our depth is generally pretty good, particularly in batting. bowling not so great, but Ashley Noffke would've played test cricket if he were born in any other country in the world IMO.

Exactly - take out McGrath and Warne, and you looked very ordinary indeed.

There isn't anyone to take over from them yet, and one one or both do go, the whole level of World Cricket will level out to an extent.

 

[anzac]

not while their batting lineup puts up 500+ runs at the rate they do!!!!!

the playing field may even out slightly with the world's best bowling attack retiring or whatever - but I think you are missing my point re their batting.

even the average international bowling attack & Captain can look good with that sort of target to bowl at and plenty of time to do it in - you don't need a hatfull of superstars like they have now.......

IMO the Aussie bowlers have been able to become as good as they are at their crafts because of the luxury of their batting totals. They would still have been stars - but maybe not super stars.

Being able to set ultra attacking fields for extended periods does wonders for your stats if you are good enough to keep it tight! Plus it tires the hell out of & demoralises the opposition batsmen to see so many fielders expecting to get you out!!!

their basic game strategy is to bat first and post a big score in under 2 days, requiring the opposition to get 300+ to avoid the follow on. They then aim to be able to declare and bowl in the last session on Day 2 in order to have 2 bites at the top order while the ball is still hard. When they are required to bat again they are usually able to declare with about 2 days to take 10 wickets. It's not just the run total but the rate at which they score it - this allows them to get on the front foot and dominate the game on their terms.

The plan isn't infallable - if they get knocked over for under 350 they are unable to attack as much in the field & can not dictate quite so readily.

But I'm sure their batting strategy is the key to it all....

 

[Agent TBY]

They do have one weakness,the next generation's inexperience.Their reluctance to blood young talent more is going to cost them.

 

[luckyeddie]

They do have one weakness,the next generation's inexperience.Their reluctance to blood young talent more is going to cost them.

MAY cost them

 

[age_master]

MAY cost them

well the sleectors dont seem to this it will

 

[anzac]

inexperience in 'full' internationals maybe, but they have lots of experience playing in the toughest domestic comp and with Aus 'A' against touring sides.

Plus the selectors won't be making wholesale changes at the same time unless thru combination of retirements & injuries.

The batting selection policy seems to have swung to 'older' players of mid - late 20s / early 30s, where their mental & technical approach is already a known factor. Youth is only introduced if it is an exceptional talent like Ponting.

The 'back up' players such as Maher, Love, Katich, Clarke, Hussey etc are already good enough to play for most international teams & will only be 'tougher'.

I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing some changes start to happen even if just on touring squads, to start to bring more 'faces' into the squad system.

The bowling depth probably isn't as good as they would like, but as I said b4 - if the batting is still doing its 'smash & grab' then even an average attack has all the time it needs to make an impact to obtain a result.

 

[marc71178]

The 'back up' players such as Maher, Love, Katich, Clarke, Hussey etc are already good enough to play for most international teams & will only be 'tougher'.

I don't buy into this theory until they're actually put in to play.

Many many batsmen have been talked up as world beaters before they step into Test Cricket, and I for one wouldn't necessarily be looking at replacing any of the current England top 4 with one of that lot.

 

[Eclipse]

I don't buy into this theory until they're actually put in to play.

Many many batsmen have been talked up as world beaters before they step into Test Cricket, and I for one wouldn't necessarily be looking at replacing any of the current England top 4 with one of that lot.

No you are right but all of those players would have been given a chance before any of the England top order batsman had they been avalabe at the time.

 

[marc71178]

No you are right but all of those players would have been given a chance before any of the England top order batsman had they been avalabe at the time.

Not necessarily ALL of them before ANY of the England top order, but possibly some of them...

 

[Neil Pickup]

Not necessarily ALL of them before ANY of the England top order, but possibly some of them...

Only because they were still at primary school!

 

[age_master]

in county cricket recently

Love - averaged 82 in 6 county games last year


Hussey - averaged 72.57 last year from 12 games, including a triple century and over 2000 runs the year before, including another triple ton.


i would open Hussey with Vaughan and Katich and Clarke would be my top 4 with love at 5

 

[marc71178]

in county cricket recently

Love - averaged 82 in 6 county games last year


Hussey - averaged 72.57 last year from 12 games, including a triple century and over 2000 runs the year before, including another triple ton.


i would open Hussey with Vaughan and Katich and Clarke would be my top 4 with love at 5

What a load of rubbish, yet again.

Just because they score runs in County Cricket means absolutely nothing. Time and again it's been pointed out that the standard of County Cricket is such that runs are easy to come by. As for replacing Butcher, Hussain and Trescothick (all of whom are proven at Test level and boast very healthy averages) with Hussey, Katich (!) and a promising player in Clarke (remember Ramprakash and Hick were talked up similarly to him) - well, I don't think so.

 

[anzac]

I'm not touting any of them as being world beaters as individuals, however I will say that they are all capable of fitting into the Aussie batting game plan - in which case they will become world beaters as a team / machine.

If I was English I wouldn't want to split Trescothick & Vaughan, but Butcher & Hussain have at most the same shelf life as Hayden, Langer, Lehman or Waugh.

So far as the back up goes I have no doubts that any of the afore mentioned Aussie 'backups', would have been given a go ahead of the likes of Key, McGrath or Solanki had they been available for England.

Like State ofOrigin in League football, little compares to their domestic season for competition both on the field and off to retain their places in their state teams, let alone vie for an international opportunity.

 

[marc71178]

What's this obsession with writing off Butcher. Agreed Hussain is on the way out sooner rather than later, but Butcher is still only 30, so has a few good years left in him yet.

 

[Rik]

What's this obsession with writing off Butcher. Agreed Hussain is on the way out sooner rather than later, but Butcher is still only 30, so has a few good years left in him yet.

It's quite similer to the Martyn situation, I mean a batsman who does nothing wrong and in fact out performs just about every one of the "NAME" players in the team, is continously being called for to be dropped from the team!

Butcher has been superb ever since that 173* and at the moment he can't stop scoring for Surrey either. He even scored his 1st OD ton as well. Give the guy a break.

 

[luckyeddie]

It's quite similer to the Martyn situation, I mean a batsman who does nothing wrong and in fact out performs just about every one of the "NAME" players in the team, is continously being called for to be dropped from the team!

Butcher has been superb ever since that 173* and at the moment he can't stop scoring for Surrey either. He even scored his 1st OD ton as well. Give the guy a break.

Butcher and Thorpe too. One or the other must make the first test side, surely.

Time for Nasser to step down sooner rather than later?

Oops, sorry. Aussie thread. For 'Nasser' read 'Steve'

 

[Bazza]

Well Steve has announced his retirement. I'd laugh if the selectors dropped him before that - seems a little arrogant to say you're going to step down in two years when you're under so much pressure in the present. Then again, he is Australian...