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Australian test selection thread 2015/16
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NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Reasons to keep Voges
- Scored over 1300 domestic runs last year at over 100.
- At the time of this post he is averaging over 48 in Tests.
- Rogers and Clarke retiring means we lose lots of red ball experience (this is the biggest reason by the way)
- We don't have anyone banging on the door of selection
- If we are struggling for a first slip, he is capable
- Haterz think he might be able to sustain an average of 40, which we should probably take
Reasons to get rid of him:
- Old
- untalented
- Performed poorly when in mattered during this current series.
So 66.67% means he should stay. Next question mr.
- Scored over 1300 domestic runs last year at over 100.
- At the time of this post he is averaging over 48 in Tests.
- Rogers and Clarke retiring means we lose lots of red ball experience (this is the biggest reason by the way)
- We don't have anyone banging on the door of selection
- If we are struggling for a first slip, he is capable
- Haterz think he might be able to sustain an average of 40, which we should probably take
Reasons to get rid of him:
- Old
- untalented
- Performed poorly when in mattered during this current series.
So 66.67% means he should stay. Next question mr.
howardj
International Coach
I really like that post.
It would be great for Smith to be given his own team close to this one; a team which has no shortage of talent
Would love Pattinson to get a decent run with injury
adub
International Captain
MJ and Voges are two interesting questions.
Johnson still shows glimpses but Ashes/SA 13/14 is fading from the memory. He certainly hasn't been bad since, but not devastating. We might indeed gain more by having Starc take his spot and focussing of Haze, Cummins, Patto etc to take the other two quicks spots.
Voges being selected for this game could well be a pointer that the selectors would like one old head to go on. If he was going to be dispensed with it would have made more sense playing Smarsh (as with playing Cummins). If he tons up here then he'll surely go to Bangladesh and it could be the plan to try and get a couple of solid years of 40+ average at 4 whilst some more young guys get themselves sorted. I'd reckon it's him or Smarsh. Having both in the side might be a little much.
Also good to see the Tubster not forgetting Moi Moi. Mitch has the opportunity and will continue in Bangladesh most likely, but if he doesn't start contributing more (especially with the bat) Henriques or maybe even Maxwell come into contention for NZ.
Johnson still shows glimpses but Ashes/SA 13/14 is fading from the memory. He certainly hasn't been bad since, but not devastating. We might indeed gain more by having Starc take his spot and focussing of Haze, Cummins, Patto etc to take the other two quicks spots.
Voges being selected for this game could well be a pointer that the selectors would like one old head to go on. If he was going to be dispensed with it would have made more sense playing Smarsh (as with playing Cummins). If he tons up here then he'll surely go to Bangladesh and it could be the plan to try and get a couple of solid years of 40+ average at 4 whilst some more young guys get themselves sorted. I'd reckon it's him or Smarsh. Having both in the side might be a little much.
Also good to see the Tubster not forgetting Moi Moi. Mitch has the opportunity and will continue in Bangladesh most likely, but if he doesn't start contributing more (especially with the bat) Henriques or maybe even Maxwell come into contention for NZ.
CaptainGrumpy
Banned
As a New Zealand fan, I am not complaining, but given Australia's batting and bowling, I do not understand how M Marsh can bat at 6. With a new inexperienced batting line up where Warner and Smith are stars, but the remaining 3 or 4 are new to the team (including Voges to a lesser degree but it will be his first home summer), M Marsh, or Watson at 6 does appear to be a luxury.
That said, I quite like the thought of Boult bowling to M Marsh at 6 and Williamson batting to him.
That said, I quite like the thought of Boult bowling to M Marsh at 6 and Williamson batting to him.
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Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Before discarding MJ you'd want to be sure he was a spent force. I'm inclined to think he might be, but I'm not sure.
Like the attack of Patto, Hazelwood and Starc. Cummins or Bird in for injuries or if Starc goes pear shaped.
Agree on Voges staying in the team for 12 mths, especially with Rogers dead set on retiring (wrong decision etc).
Do you reckon Bancroft is a shoe in?
Want Burns given opportunities over SMarsh from now on.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Johnson is still capable of producing dominant spells. I just don't love the two left arm quicks together. I know they aren't identical, people like to say they are completely different, but seriously I think their attitude is similar and our bowling unit is balanced more so with just the one. Starc has outpointed Johnson this series, I'm sure if they play together this wont always be the case, but I think we have to look long-term in some instances and Johnson has already had a terrific Test career.
Bancroft is not a shoe-in. There are other candidates in Marsh, Burns, Khawaja, Watson and Cowan who can all open the batting and have more first class runs at I think a higher average than the WA opener. Agree that Burns needs opportunities over SMarsh, it looks to be starting with the ODI selection.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
I don't know much of Bancroft, but he's been impressive based on recent scorecards. I could see a spot for Cowan at the top of the order just for stability, and if he could do a similar thing to Rogers (average 40ish with a level head) for 2 or so years that'd be good I reckon.
It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the top 6 in the next series. Pays to remember that Smith is a really young captain. Only Ian Craig and Kim Hughes have been younger than Smith when taking over Aust's captaincy full time. Really important to select guys who can support what he needs to do (maybe Cowan and Voges would be good for a while in that regard). We don't want all kids with him and Warner, but by the same token we don't want SMarsh/Watson type guys who are just inconsistent.
The next test team we put out against Bangladesh will surely be our most inexperienced top six since the Packer stuff won't it? If not more inexperienced?
Going on Nufan's prediction which is probably pretty close, we'll have under 100 tests experience in our top 7.
Warner
Bancroft
Smith
Burns
Voges
MMarsh
Nevill
This is a BIG transition period.
It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the top 6 in the next series. Pays to remember that Smith is a really young captain. Only Ian Craig and Kim Hughes have been younger than Smith when taking over Aust's captaincy full time. Really important to select guys who can support what he needs to do (maybe Cowan and Voges would be good for a while in that regard). We don't want all kids with him and Warner, but by the same token we don't want SMarsh/Watson type guys who are just inconsistent.
The next test team we put out against Bangladesh will surely be our most inexperienced top six since the Packer stuff won't it? If not more inexperienced?
Going on Nufan's prediction which is probably pretty close, we'll have under 100 tests experience in our top 7.
Warner
Bancroft
Smith
Burns
Voges
MMarsh
Nevill
This is a BIG transition period.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Yeah it is. Just on Bancroft again, I don't actually think he will debut next game. I think ShaunMarsh will play "he was unlucky in England" "next in line" "did well in West Indies" "has made runs over here before (debut ton vs SL)" "exciting talent".
Vs Bangladesh
1 Marsh (15)
2 Warner (43)
3 Smith (33)
4 Burns (2)
5 Voges (7)
6 Marsh (7)
7 Nevill (4)
8 Johnson (71)
9 Starc (22)
10 ??
11 Lyon (46)
The other spot is a lottery.
Spinning options: 1) Maxwell "performed well in ODIs" "exciting talent" 2) Agar 3) Fawad
Pace: 1) Siddle 2) Hazlewood 3) Cummins 4) Pattinson
111 Tests for the top 7, so we've got over your 100
Vs Bangladesh
1 Marsh (15)
2 Warner (43)
3 Smith (33)
4 Burns (2)
5 Voges (7)
6 Marsh (7)
7 Nevill (4)
8 Johnson (71)
9 Starc (22)
10 ??
11 Lyon (46)
The other spot is a lottery.
Spinning options: 1) Maxwell "performed well in ODIs" "exciting talent" 2) Agar 3) Fawad
Pace: 1) Siddle 2) Hazlewood 3) Cummins 4) Pattinson
111 Tests for the top 7, so we've got over your 100
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The Battlers Prince
International Vice-Captain
Sok deserves it but won't get it. Sidds to remain for the opening test at least
Tangles
International Vice-Captain
Cowan could offer some value short term but it seems like they are just going to use Voges as the older guy right now.
The big test will be for Smith. A young captain with a changing team batting at 3. He will have the double pressure of propping up the batting and captaining.
On MJ. I think we need to see a home summer to really know where he is at. If he can still gun it at the Gabba and WACA then he isn't done.
The big test will be for Smith. A young captain with a changing team batting at 3. He will have the double pressure of propping up the batting and captaining.
On MJ. I think we need to see a home summer to really know where he is at. If he can still gun it at the Gabba and WACA then he isn't done.
the big bambino
Cricketer Of The Year
I see Ben Horne isn't impressed with Mitchell Johnson right now but its hard to see why you'd drop him. For a start he deserves his spot, he's our most experienced bowler right now, has stayed fit and is playing his next set in Australia where he becomes an exceptional player. Starc to partner him and I still favour Haze over Siddle as the 3rd seamer. He's young and having his 1st long stint in international cricket and overall has done well. Lyon obvs.
For batting I'd go Warner, Usman, Watson, Smith, Burns, Voges. Usman's recent fc record should be offset against his injury in late 2014. It pains me to bring back Watto but I reckon he has more runs in him than Marsh atm. After picking Burns as a player of the future I can't see how he can miss out now with all the retirements and failures. Voges has position over Marsh and just like howardj was sickened when he got picked by his mates in the commentary box. Screw him.
Eventually I'd like to see M Marsh come in for Watson with the idea of moving Burns to 3. Bring in Ferguson, Head or Lynn for Voges in time. Anyone of Cowan, Silk or Bancroft to keep pressure on Usman. Nevill keeps.
For batting I'd go Warner, Usman, Watson, Smith, Burns, Voges. Usman's recent fc record should be offset against his injury in late 2014. It pains me to bring back Watto but I reckon he has more runs in him than Marsh atm. After picking Burns as a player of the future I can't see how he can miss out now with all the retirements and failures. Voges has position over Marsh and just like howardj was sickened when he got picked by his mates in the commentary box. Screw him.
Eventually I'd like to see M Marsh come in for Watson with the idea of moving Burns to 3. Bring in Ferguson, Head or Lynn for Voges in time. Anyone of Cowan, Silk or Bancroft to keep pressure on Usman. Nevill keeps.