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Australian Cricket .... Beginning of the End ?

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jammay123

State 12th Man
let the aussie team bring their newer players in like johnson, hilfenhaus when gilly retires theyll bring in haddin and they will start playing alot better when these player play fo 12-18 months for the aussies they will be back on top. however im worried about their openers situation and the fact that they wont ever produce a spinner of warnes caliber.

i feel that they will still probably remain the best but they will have a few weaknesses that other nations can exploit. this will make the game more exiting and more competitive.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
IMO we'll only find-out how good they are about this time next year, and it's fruitless to speculate, so far as Test-cricket is concerned, until then.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
i think they may struggle in tests as well! Its all abt skill; and if aussies are in decline, then so is their skill factor TBH...if u know wat i mean!
Well in they still have more skill than the rest of the nations, and in test cricket whatever skill gap there is between the two sides is a lot bigger than in ODIs and 2020 so Australia still have the edge.
 

pup11

International Coach
Michael vaughan quotes - "One week in cricket is a long time". I got to say that he is spot on there just imagine 10 days back the way aussies were going nobody would have imagined they would be in such a predicament. So there is no reason why aussies can't get things right by the world cup and especially since they would be a hurt side i expect them to give a ruthless performance.
 

legglancer12

School Boy/Girl Captain
Whats going on with the australian bowlers ???? Cannot defend 350 any more ? Brad hogg is crap ..... I say bring back Warne.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
Why ??? Look where the West indies ended after their meteoric rise ...... Wouldnt you agree that their fall from grace could be described similarly !
I think the domestic structure in Australia will protect against that.

From what i've heard most of that WI side played county cricket so they never really developed the grass roots stuff, plus there's rumours that Baseball is more popular than before over there.
 

legglancer12

School Boy/Girl Captain
I think the domestic structure in Australia will protect against that.

From what i've heard most of that WI side played county cricket so they never really developed the grass roots stuff, plus there's rumours that Baseball is more popular than before over there.
I Agree ..... However there always could be a 'first time' :)
 

Speersy

U19 Cricketer
The demise of Australian cricket will one day happen one would think, though they should always be up there with the best. So surely if it was to happen now would be the time, with 4 losses in a row in ODI's and the depature of some of crickets greats.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
In terms of this being the start of Australia's decline (I presume we're talking in the context of ODIs here), it's just all a bit too sudden for me to see it that way. We've just lost six out our last seven games against teams we were beating comfortably only days earlier. I think something more meaningful is demonstrated over a slightly longer period, a team doesn't just break instantly like that. We've had a few injuries, the other teams (in England's case finally at the fag-end of the tour) found some spirit, and we've had a bit of a trough (not all of it being down to our bowlers, either). So for all our soul-searching, I don't think there's any radical answers, and I don't think it necessarily means we have to dramatically alter the side, either (outside of any changes necessitated by injury).

I do think we've had a problem defending big totals in ODIs for some time now, and that's something we really have to work on. Aside from that though I wouldn't be too panicky for the moment, unless we're astonishingly bad in the WC. Test cricket is a game that in general reinforces any disparity between the two sides, but the nature of one day cricket is different, and there simply isn't the same gap between the top and the rest, although it must be said that the Australians have done a great job of turning dodgy situations (which they actually encounter fairly often) into wins. Losing Symonds and going without Gilly and Ponting (as well as McGrath looking a touch fatigued and Lee getting injured) has had an obvious cost, where I think maybe some people assumed it wouldn't show.

On our last tour of the Caribbean, we won the first four ODIs in a best of seven matchup, and then lost the next three. OK, somebody will point out that they were dead games, but after the fifth was lost, I have no doubt that the Aussies wanted to reassert their dominance (particularly in light of losing the final test also, in a big fourth innings run-chase). This would have only doubled after the West Indians won the next ODI, before winning a third in a row to close out the tour. It felt at the time that if we'd played another, they'd have won that too. Sometimes things go wrong and the other team either digs deep or realises they have nothing to lose. A lot's happened since that tour though.

Having said all this, perhaps we'll flop from here. But losing in such succession after looking as strong as ever (to the point where people were bemoaning the lack of competition) just implies to me an aberration rather than something more portentious. You don't lose all that in a matter of a week and a half or two weeks.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
I agree that teams don't usually just snap and fall to pieces, though obviously the decline has to start somewhere. The problem with this being the beginning of the end for Australia is that there's not really been any major changes in the ODI team, and it's still a ridiculously strong one on paper. Injuries have obviously played a part, and it'd be foolish to imagine we didn't miss key players in the NZ series, but really I don't see the end of the CB series as being much more than a couple of great performances from England and two poor batting performances.

As I've said in other threads, the World Cup is obviously the key point. Great teams come through when it matters most, and Australia have been building to this WC since 2004 when they began changing the team. If Australia bomb out in the WC, say by losing a few Super Eight games, it'll definitely mark the end of Australian dominance of ODI cricket. A narrow loss in the final or a plague of injuries or something might excuse it, but if Australia play in the WC the way they have in the last few games, obviously they aren't dominant any more, it's that simple. Australia were the best team in the late 1990s because they came through in the big games, even though South Africa won just as often overall.

Obviously this is all fairly irrelevant to test cricket, and there's a totally different set of tests to come there without Warne and so on, but there's definitely a chance for a changing of the guard in ODIs if someone else can have a great WC and knock Australia out, and similarly there's a chance for Australia to make the last few games look like an aberration, like the odd poor run they've had in the past. It will look like the 01/02 VB Series or something if Australia win every game in the West Indies, obviously.
 

howardj

International Coach
I think there's little doubt that our days of dominating Test cricket, certainly to the same extent as in the last eight years or so, finished when McGrath and Warne pulled up stumps. Winning Tests is all about taking 20 wickets, and that will definitely be more of a struggle without those two guys. I've said it before, but 2003/2004 (against India without McGrath and Warne) was a window into the future for Australian cricket. That is, we'll still have a serviceable attack, but we'll be stripped of our aura and will not take wickets as regularly. Like that Summer, we will still be right up with the best teams, but not a standout as we have been.
 

Neil Pickup

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During the spell between the end of the World Cup 1996 and the Tri Series 1997-98, Australia played 37 ODIs and won 12. That wasn't the end of anything.

Nobody get excited.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
During the spell between the end of the World Cup 1996 and the Tri Series 1997-98, Australia played 37 ODIs and won 12. That wasn't the end of anything.

Nobody get excited.
They weren't as dominant before that as they've been in the last 5-7 years though, particularly since they didn't win the 96 WC as well.

Not that I think they're in decline or anything.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I think the domestic structure in Australia will protect against that.

From what i've heard most of that WI side played county cricket so they never really developed the grass roots stuff, plus there's rumours that Baseball is more popular than before over there.
That's pretty simplistic. West Indies' domestic cricket in the 1970s and 1980s was every bit as strong as the Pura\ING Cup has been the last couple of decades. Yes, many West Indians played in England too but the seasons didn't clash, and they didn't get signed by a county before they'd shown themselves to be good players (ie in West Indian cricket). And the American-intrusion has, by all accounts, been grossly exaggerated. Other sports have always competed with cricket in all countries.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
During the spell between the end of the World Cup 1996 and the Tri Series 1997-98, Australia played 37 ODIs and won 12. That wasn't the end of anything.
It was.

It was the end of Australian selectors treating the two game-forms the same.

Thereafter, they realised they were different. And started picking good ODI players for ODIs.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Australia were the best team in the late 1990s because they came through in the big games, even though South Africa won just as often overall.
Prey - which "big" games do you refer to? The 1999 WC final Super Six game?

South Africa were a far better ODI team than Australia in the late 1990s.
 

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