Australia name Chappell-Hadlee Trophy squad

[mavric41]

You know, just once, I'd like to see Gilchrist and Symonds open. If they came off, it would be sensational.

 

[shaka]

that would be crowd pleasing indeed

 

[Dydl]

If Symonds opened, where would Hayden go? I can't exactly see him at 7 or wherever, as he is there and has experience as an opener, where Symonds doesn't.

 

[mavric41]

If Symonds opened, where would Hayden go? I can't exactly see him at 7 or wherever, as he is there and has experience as an opener, where Symonds doesn't.

Hey I said just once. Hayden could have a rest that day on the rotation system.

 

[Eclipse]

persoanly i think Martyn would make a better ODI opener than Hayden but I know it will never happen..

 

[shaka]

Harvey is only just returning to state cricket after a groin injury, ie no cricket after his injury. ""With Ian Harvey on his way back from injury, we felt it was important to give him some more time at state level before considering him for international duties." from sport.iafrica.com

 

[tooextracool]

lack of abit of form?

yes but the original poster said that he was performing better than lehmann recently, which clearly isnt the case.

going after it late in the innings?

point being?
if you come down the order you also have the chance of generating plenty of not outs and boosting your average.as far as im concerned nowhere has clarke showed that hes better than lehmann is ATM in ODIs.

 

[age_master]

some players are more interested in the team than boosting their average....

 

[tooextracool]

the best 2 teams made the final and the best team won....

the best team won yes, the 2nd best team may have reached the finals yes, but what about the semis? NZ should have made the semis,england should have at least made the super six, because the eng-pak,eng-ind, eng-zim,nz-ken, pak-zim were all games that were created skewed/unclear results. AFAIC a team like england only clearly fairly lost to 1 team, and that was australia, and they came closest to beating them than anyone else in that tournament.

 

[tooextracool]

some players are more interested in the team than boosting their average....

of course bevan is so selfish for winning the countless games that he has for australia, and he should be blamed for the selectors being stupid enough to bat him so low down the order when he should clearly have been batting at 3 or 4.

 

[tooextracool]

Well roll me in flour and call me a rissole! - a whole 0.5 more runs an over, whoopedy doo dah!. An economy rate of 4.36 is nothing to rave about, I would rather have another bowler or batsman play, as I have said before both Symonds & Lehmann can fill in the 10 overs. I wouldn't consider playing him on any wicket.

a difference of 0.5 is considerably more in ER, well done in maintaining your stupidity though. and 4.36 is fairly good, anything below 4.50 is decent. anything above certainly as far above as symonds is distinctly rubbish and not worthy enough your only spin bowler.
what next....brett lee is as good as donald in ODIs?
chris pringle as good as wasim akram?
zaheer khan and sami are as good as darren gough?

 

[Hoggy31]

persoanly i think Martyn would make a better ODI opener than Hayden but I know it will never happen..

The only match i can remember him opening in ODI's he made 144 n.o. of like 120 balls

 

[Richard]

Might I remind you of India? Compare the two there. What a poor argument, using Adelaide as the sole basis for comparison.

What a poor argument, using the India tour as the sole comparison.

 

[Richard]

Lehmann is a more defensive bowler, bowls at a slower pace, useful for restriction particularly. Clarke is more attacking and can be more than a handful in suitable conditions.

So can Lehmann.
Lehmann can even prove a handful in not-especially-helpful conditions (as shown by his average of 17.something in the Championship last year, playing his home games at one of the most spin-hostile grounds going around).

 

[Richard]

You know, just once, I'd like to see Gilchrist and Symonds open. If they came off, it would be sensational.

Prefer see both have their stumps splattered first ball.

 

[Richard]

that would be crowd pleasing indeed

Depends - if the crowd like ugly swiping across the line and swinging to the boundaries, then yes - if, on the other hand, the attractiveness of the strokeplay comes higher on their priority list than the scoring-rate, then no.

 

[Mister Wright]

a difference of 0.5 is considerably more in ER, well done in maintaining your stupidity though. and 4.36 is fairly good, anything below 4.50 is decent. anything above certainly as far above as symonds is distinctly rubbish and not worthy enough your only spin bowler.
what next....brett lee is as good as donald in ODIs?
chris pringle as good as wasim akram?
zaheer khan and sami are as good as darren gough?

No.

I tend to go on what I see from players. I've never said that I would play Symonds as the lone spinner, but if Hogg isn't playing and a better bowler or another batsman is playing than it is better for the team. I tend to go on what I see from a player than basing things solely on stats - if that is mainting stupidity, than I plead guilty.

 

[Slow Love™]

a difference of 0.5 is considerably more in ER, well done in maintaining your stupidity though. and 4.36 is fairly good, anything below 4.50 is decent. anything above certainly as far above as symonds is distinctly rubbish and not worthy enough your only spin bowler.
what next....brett lee is as good as donald in ODIs?
chris pringle as good as wasim akram?
zaheer khan and sami are as good as darren gough?

Yeah, but you're ignoring the point made that Symonds and Lehmann could share the spin duties (Lehmann in particular has a pretty solid strike rate and average). While economy rate is obviously a very important stat in ODI's, paying attention to it exclusively can be a mistake. After all, Hogg's ER is superior to that of Waqar Younis. Are they comparable at any level? (And is Waqar "rubbish" for having an ER of nearly 4.7?)

Given what else Symonds has to offer, I don't think Hogg is worth taking up a place with, either. Doesn't offer enough to justify his selection, IMO.

 

[Mister Wright]

Yeah, but you're ignoring the point made that Symonds and Lehmann could share the spin duties (Lehmann in particular has a pretty solid strike rate and average). While economy rate is obviously a very important stat in ODI's, paying attention to it exclusively can be a mistake. After all, Hogg's ER is superior to that of Waqar Younis. Are they comparable at any level? (And is Waqar "rubbish" for having an ER of nearly 4.7?)

Given what else Symonds has to offer, I don't think Hogg is worth taking up a place with, either. Doesn't offer enough to justify his selection, IMO.

Thank you, finally some sanity.

 

[tooextracool]

Yeah, but you're ignoring the point made that Symonds and Lehmann could share the spin duties (Lehmann in particular has a pretty solid strike rate and average).

actually i havent ignored anything such, you've ignored the original post completely. the quote to which i initially responded was "Symonds alone is better spinner than Hogg"
please show me where there is evidence to that?
"and regardless my reply was this,hogg seems to be the best spinning option australia have got so i would consider playing him on any slow wicket."

not the slow wicket part,neither symonds or clarke or even lehmann for that matter are capable of taking wickets or posing a threat on a slow turning wicket. infact only the semi final against england in the icc championship proved symonds and lehmann to be complete rubbish.
and no i wouldnt pick hogg anywhere outside a slow/bounce wicket, because i know that australia have better bowlers than him on those wickets.

While economy rate is obviously a very important stat in ODI's, paying attention to it exclusively can be a mistake. After all, Hogg's ER is superior to that of Waqar Younis. Are they comparable at any level? (And is Waqar "rubbish" for having an ER of nearly 4.7?)

who says that i look at them solely? i look at the ER as the primary consideration for any bowler. of course the fact that both symonds and clarke have worser averages than hogg in ODIs prove a lot doesnt it?
in regards to waqar younis and his record, i think its fairly obvious that his record went downhill after 94-95, after which is was debateable as to whether he deserved a place in the side.

Given what else Symonds has to offer, I don't think Hogg is worth taking up a place with, either. Doesn't offer enough to justify his selection, IMO.

what symonds has to offer is an average at 34 @4.8 sometin. extremely poor IMO, i couldnt even back him to bowl 10 overs consistently. of course if the pitch is not a slow one i would not play hogg as i mentioned earlier and would stick with a pace bowler.