Asian fast bowlers since Wasim Akram's retirement

[PaulLennon]

The trouble is that he averages 47 against NZ who have been India's biggest challenge.

Meanwhile Kyle Jamieson averages 17.72 against India.

rubbish logic.

should we look at williamson's averages against aus who have been nz's biggest challenge?

 

[PaulLennon]

Bumrah is okay, but he has struggled in India's most important tests in recent years.

I think long-term the smiling sofa will end up better

the smiling sofa averages 37.89 if you take out windies, sl, bang and zim (2 of which bumrah hasnt even played against). bumrah averages 24.63.

 

[PaulLennon]

The smiling sofa got nothing worthwhile so far against Australia in Pakistan on dead roads. If you want to you can do this for all bowlers but it's pointless ultimately.

you dont even have to go that far. these pitches are bad where everyone has suffered a bit. but even in friendly conditions he has suffered.

he averages 26.66 in SA with 0 5 fers. Bumrah 24.38 with 2.
in Eng 51.6 with 0 5fers with zak crawley hitting a double. Bumrah 25.93 with 2.
in Aus 36.8 with 0 5fers. Bumrah 21.25 with 1 5fer.
in NZ 42,83 with 0 5fers. Bumrah 31.66 with 0 5fers.

Bullied WI a bit but Bumrah has done that too and a bit better.

He has also struggled against SENA at home. In fact he only has 5fers against Zim, Bang, WI and SL.

If Bumrah had played the home series vs WI in 2018, SA, Bang in 2019 he would be averaging 18.

he is a very good t20 new ball bowler. that's it. always gets tonked at the death and no test performances to speak of.

 

[ankitj]

Having suffered Aussie posters use didn't-perform-against-us over a decade, we now have to deal with Kiwis doing same? I like Aussies doing that better itbt.

 

[Flem274*]

i seem to remember paullennons focus on results from 1783 and slicing and dicing rival nations cricketers records from another username....

Having suffered Aussie posters use didn't-perform-against-us over a decade, we now have to deal with Kiwis doing same? I like Aussies doing that better itbt.

have you met your own?

though granted, i wish i was as good as fuller pilch at subtlely winding people up with reasonable opinions posted in just the right break in conversation.

Asia has produced some seriously classy quick bowlers since Wasim's retirement, notably the Indian ones, but I think Ryan Harris compares favourably with most of them. They're between him and Brett Lee in quality.

 

[OverratedSanity]

have you met your own?

We never got to do this because throughout our history everyone made runs against us and almost every great player took wickets.

That's why we relish in bringing up Warne and Ponting's embarrassing records every chance we get. It's literally all we have on that front.

 

[Flem274*]

We never got to do this because throughout our history everyone made runs against us and almost every great player took wickets.

That's why we relish in bringing up Warne and Ponting's embarrassing records every chance we get. It's literally all we have on that front.

you've got this all wrong. this is just more justification to do so. harbhajan singh is basically a war criminal yet i'm still gonna point out sobers more like NOHOPERS couldn't even score runs in nz smh get outta here.

 

[Xix2565]

Ryan Harris does not in anyway compare favourably to some of the current Asian quicks, especially considering he's managed to avoid playing in some places.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

rubbish. lords 2021, oval 2021, mcg 2018, mcg 2021 - all important tests.

you can't determine important tests as the ones that have been lost.

i mean ind won in nz in 2009. eng was in 2007 and aus never and bumrah has ensured two wins in aus and at least a draw in eng.

The WTC final was the most important test since Australia toured the West Indies in 1995, and Bumrah was poor.

The NZ team in 2009 was a minnow side, so that win is not very important.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Ryan Harris does not in anyway compare favourably to some of the current Asian quicks, especially considering he's managed to avoid playing in some places.

Ryan Harris was a magnificent bowler. Imagine if he was playing in this bowler dominated era. He was better than Starc and Hazlewood.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

the smiling sofa averages 37.89 if you take out windies, sl, bang and zim (2 of which bumrah hasnt even played against). bumrah averages 24.63.

I said long-term.

Bumrah is 28, Afridi is 21.

 

[Shri]

yeah in pakistan years ?

 

[ankitj]

have you met your own?

Nah. We don't bag Lara or Ambrose for their ordinary record against India because we recognise India didn't present to them their biggest challenge. It's only for spinners especially in 1990 to 2010 period that we consider record against India an important criterion and you would find it hard to disagree that facing India was a spinner's biggest challenge.

 

[Xix2565]

The WTC final was the most important test since Australia toured the West Indies in 1995, and Bumrah was poor.

The NZ team in 2009 was a minnow side, so that win is not very important.

Rubbish logic. Can't be that selective else NZ's wins don't count due to their general lack of importance since no one rates or cares about them. And considering how their own board treats Test scheduling that's probably closer to the truth.

Ryan Harris was a magnificent bowler. Imagine if he was playing in this bowler dominated era. He was better than Starc and Hazlewood.

He'd be carried by those 2 tbfh.

 

[PaulLennon]

The WTC final was the most important test since Australia toured the West Indies in 1995, and Bumrah was poor.

The NZ team in 2009 was a minnow side, so that win is not very important.

Rubbish. The wtc didn’t even exist 1 year ago.
Ind Eng and Ind aus tests have been there from the 1930s.

 

[PaulLennon]

I said long-term.

Bumrah is 28, Afridi is 21.

Yeah and afridi has shown nothing that indicates that he will be the best unlike say a pant who already had centuries in England and Australia when he was 21.

I mean guys like amir, junaid, gul etc had far brighter starts. Thing is post waqar Pakistani pacers haven’t been able to sustain anything.

 

[ankitj]

The WTC final was the most important test since Australia toured the West Indies in 1995, and Bumrah was poor.

Guys I warned you. #JAMTests is a thing now.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The most important and historic test in India's history was at the Gabba last year. Bumrah took zero wickets. Maybe Fuller Pilch has a point.

 

[Calm_profit]

Bumrah also failed to defend the target for 2 consecutive matches against South Africa.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Rubbish. The wtc didn’t even exist 1 year ago.

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