Ashwin - The ATG Spinner

[Daemon]

Who are the ATG spinners subz?

 

[subshakerz]

kept smith quiet and got him out frequently

go suck on a lemon bc

No need to cuss, unless Ashwin is your cousin or something.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Ashwin (and even Jadeja) have outbowled Lyon often in the same matches on the same pitches.

I wasn’t serious. The pitch Lyon took his tenfer on was ridiculously spin friendly.

 

[subshakerz]

Who are the ATG spinners subz?

I pretty much agree with @Line and Length assessment.

But I am interested in Ashwin fanboys sharing their list of ATG spinners.

 

[Daemon]

I pretty much agree with @Line and Length assessment.

But I am interested in Ashwin fanboys sharing their list of ATG spinners.

What did he say?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Murali
Warne
Ashwin
Jadeja

ATG spinners

 

[subshakerz]

What did he say?

Without reading all the discussion and debate I'll simply react to the thread's title.

Ashwin - The ATG Spinner

Firstly "The" implies number one and that title is only a debate between Warne and Murali with old-timers like O'Reilly thrown into the mix.

The title should be "Ashwin - An ATG Spinner" and then the merit of "ATG" could be discussed.

Looking at his worthiness to an ATG tag is interesting. How many spinners warrant such a tag?

I've already mentioned three and I would suggest that Grimmett, Laker and Verity might also be contenders.



On the next tier (ATVG) I would have Tayfield, Kumble, Underwood, Gibbs,and Benaud along with names like Herath, Chandrasekhar, Bedi, Mushtaq and Swann. Current players in Ashwin, Lyon and Jadeja would fit in that group and only time, and a complete career, would warrant discussion of a ATG ranking.

 

[Daemon]

I don’t know enough about the old timers but it seems like a fair enough post. I have Ashwin down as a borderline ATG, kinda like Anderson and KW.

 

[Arachnodouche]

@subshakerz Would you consistently pick Ashwin across conditions if he could play for Pak? Pak throws up spinners of reasonable caliber though none as accomplished as Ashwin in recent years.

 

[Shri]

No home series loss for 12 years. Garner and the other Windies greats get atg tag for far less

 

[_00_deathscar]

I don’t know enough about the old timers but it seems like a fair enough post. I have Ashwin down as a borderline ATG, kinda like Anderson and KW.

Where I have a problem with rating all 3 equal (but more applicable to Jimmy) is that they’re considered home bullies (or certain conditions), but despite those conditions being in favour, Jimmy hasn’t won all that much at home, and KW has never beaten Australia at home.
Whereas almost no one has beaten India at home since Ashwin’s debut

 

[Spark]

Anderson's won plenty at home, wut

 

[Daemon]

Where I have a problem with rating all 3 equal (but more applicable to Jimmy) is that they’re considered home bullies (or certain conditions), but despite those conditions being in favour, Jimmy hasn’t won all that much at home, and KW has never beaten Australia at home.
Whereas almost no one has beaten India at home since Ashwin’s debut

I don’t like using team results for these sort of things much because it’s, well, a team game. Otherwise dizzy is an ATG.

 

[Spark]

I don’t like using team results for these sort of things much because it’s, well, a team game. Otherwise dizzy is an ATG.

Yeah this is especially in the case in a sport like cricket where there's such a clear delineation between the two major disciplines in the sport (batting and bowling); whereby those who are elite at one aren't expected to generally have more than limited (or any) competency in the other. So a player can be consistently great everywhere and the team can still suck because the other discipline in that team sucks and there's nothing he can do about it really.

 

[Coronis]

Where I have a problem with rating all 3 equal (but more applicable to Jimmy) is that they’re considered home bullies (or certain conditions), but despite those conditions being in favour, Jimmy hasn’t won all that much at home, and KW has never beaten Australia at home.
Whereas almost no one has beaten India at home since Ashwin’s debut

Are you high? 22 series wins, to 7 losses and and 7 draws.

Not that series results are that great a measure of an individual for the reasons others have suggested.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I don’t like using team results for these sort of things much because it’s, well, a team game. Otherwise dizzy is an ATG.

Anderson’s home average is somewhat underwhelming for the home basher he is in those perfect conditons

I’m just saying those who consider Anderson ATG should also consider Ashwin ATG. However borderline or otherwise.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Are you high? 22 series wins, to 7 losses and and 7 draws.

Not that series results are that great a measure of an individual for the reasons others have suggested.

It looks a bit measly compared to 17 series wins. In a ****ing row.

 

[Coronis]

Anderson’s home average is somewhat underwhelming for the home basher he is in those perfect conditons

I’m just saying those who consider Anderson ATG should also consider Ashwin ATG. However borderline or otherwise.

Ashwin is easily superior to Anderson - imo.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

If Ashwin is ATG, are Kumble and Lyon ATG too?

 

[subshakerz]

@subshakerz Would you consistently pick Ashwin across conditions if he could play for Pak? Pak throws up spinners of reasonable caliber though none as accomplished as Ashwin in recent years.

Yes obviously given the meager spin options.