indiaholic
International Captain
Where is all this aggro coming from?
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Are England really favourites for CT17?
- Thread starter Moonsorrow999
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Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Shri Ram
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Just read the last few pages..the gang kinda went after him like they usually do because he didn't rate England.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
CW England fans can now justifiably blame the poster who dug up this thread prematurely.. 
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
In my defense I basically would have reiterated this one wek before the CT had started and England were still ''odds on favourites''. Couldn't give a monkeys about limited overs cricket compared to tests.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
At what point were they odds on? Never. They were favourites in a closely run book ahead of Australia. So maybe the question should've been whether Australia should've been second favourites....
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
Can I expect an apology from you? I was right and you were wrong - man up.
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
No you weren't.
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
Yes I was. I've been adamant that England's one-day side were over hyped nonsense from the beginning. Pakistan win by 8 wickets says I was correct. Further, the ex-player tv fraternity had them with their hand on the trophy months before the competition had even started!! Even just yesterday, there were a series of Vaughan articles in one of the newspapers demonstrating how superior England are over Pakistan.
smash84
The Tiger King
Which they are tbf
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
I rest my case (on English smugness).
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
This is a short tournament, where one bad day can lead to elimination.
Any team can have a bad day and lose, so it doesn't all of a sudden mean that the losing team's no longer a good team.
England still the best ODI team in most conditions!
This was just ONE game.
Any team can have a bad day and lose, so it doesn't all of a sudden mean that the losing team's no longer a good team.
England still the best ODI team in most conditions!
This was just ONE game.
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
I agree with the general tenure of your argument but do not agree with your assessment of England I'm afraid.
quincywagstaff
International Debutant
I don’t really get the ‘any team can have a bad day’ arguments. Knockout tournaments like this are about not having bad days or – when you’re not playing to our optimum level – finding a way to tough it out and win when it counts.
A good example is Australia in the 2003 World Cup. In at least 3 of their early matches they were in big trouble yet players (often unexpected ones) lifted their games and pulled the side through.
Really surprised that England weren’t capable of that. In fact, the longer the match went the worse they played. And judging by Morgan’s post-match comments, they seemed to get ahead of themselves as to how good they actually are.
A good example is Australia in the 2003 World Cup. In at least 3 of their early matches they were in big trouble yet players (often unexpected ones) lifted their games and pulled the side through.
Really surprised that England weren’t capable of that. In fact, the longer the match went the worse they played. And judging by Morgan’s post-match comments, they seemed to get ahead of themselves as to how good they actually are.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
This is still premature. England's ODI team is definitely in the right direction. They have 1 gear in their batting and for most part it will work. The problem is, Pakistan is the least hyped, talked about and seen cricket team in recent times who play a very different and unusual brand of cricket. You cannot anticipate a team will still play like it's 94 and reach the finals and prepare for that.
England's batting 1st scores in last 20 matches
283
355
399
318
262
236
324
444
302
309
350
321
296
328
328
339
330
153
310
211
The 153 pitch had some early lateral movement, and the 211 pitch was just a tad slower, but no major swing or anything.
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