Andy Flower vs Alan Knott

[Coronis]

Heh just for funsies

Flower in the 90’s 39 matches 2580 @ 44.48 6 tons SR 40.71
Flower in the 00’s 24 matches 2214 @ 63.25 6 tons SR 51.50

 

[kyear2]

it was a joke era. Cricket almost died because it was so boring.

And cricket was seen to be largely saved by the tied test and by a certain cavalier all rounder from the Caribbean.

 

[DrWolverine]

Just stop dude.

The two easiest eras to bat were the 30's and the 2000's.

By that argument was Gilchrist also a fraud with a soft average?

1930s? Really?

 

[DrWolverine]

Heh just for funsies

Flower in the 90’s 39 matches 2580 @ 44.48 6 tons SR 40.71
Flower in the 00’s 24 matches 2214 @ 63.25 6 tons SR 51.50

It’s a shame his international career was cut short. In his last five years(1998-2002), he was second only to Sachin Tendulkar in test cricket.

 

[kyear2]

that was premodern

and of course its related to skill level, the point of playing test cricket is to win

People keep saying that we are in a bowling era and point to batting averages to support that. But from watching cricket the last couple years I would suggest that that we are in an era of some of the least skilled, low patience, t20 influenced batsmen in a while.

Some of these batting collapses that we see these days dint speak to skill level, the opposite really.

 

[Johan]

People keep saying that we are in a bowling era and point to barring averages to support that. But from watching cricket the last couple years I would suggest that that we are in an era of some of the least skilled, low patience, t20 influenced batsmen in a while.

Some of these batting collapses that we see these days dint speak to skill level, the opposite really.

pitches are pretty objectively spicy.

 

[kyear2]

1930s? Really?

Yes. The 30's and immediate post war period of the '40's were the flattest era of cricket. There was a conscious decision to spice up the pitches in England and Australia from about 1950 or so.

 

[kyear2]

pitches are pretty objectively spicy.

And some of the middle orders objectively shaky.

 

[ma1978]

People keep saying that we are in a bowling era and point to batting averages to support that. But from watching cricket the last couple years I would suggest that that we are in an era of some of the least skilled, low patience, t20 influenced batsmen in a while.

Some of these batting collapses that we see these days dint speak to skill level, the opposite really.

Yes so cricket is the only sport where skill levels get worse over time. Get real

 

[Johan]

And some of the middle orders objectively shaky.

I mean well yeah, you'd notice all bowling eras have surprisingly weak batting lineups.

 

[kyear2]

Yes so cricket is the only sport where skill levels get worse over time. Get real

Wicket-keeping skills have objectively declined...

Batting discipline has objectively declined.

There's one bowler in this era that I would say is even close to Wasim, anyone as accurate and consistent as McGrath?

 

[DrWolverine]

There's one bowler in this era that I would say is even close to Wasim

We should wait for the career of Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada to end. As of now all three are doing a very good job

anyone as accurate and consistent as McGrath?

Bumrah

 

[ma1978]

Wicket-keeping skills have objectively declined...

Batting discipline has objectively declined.

There's one bowler in this era that I would say is even close to Wasim, anyone as accurate and consistent as McGrath?

lol. This is ridiculous. In any sport, skills only go up with time.

 

[ma1978]

Wicket-keeping skills have objectively declined...

Batting discipline has objectively declined.

There's one bowler in this era that I would say is even close to Wasim, anyone as accurate and consistent as McGrath?

wicket keeping skills are pointless after a certain level of competence. the difference between an average and great wicket keeper is miniscule. that's why any team with a brain has decided that a batting focused wicket keeper is preferable.

 

[kyear2]

wicket keeping skills are pointless after a certain level of competence. the difference between an average and great wicket keeper is miniscule. that's why any team with a brain has decided that a batting focused wicket keeper is preferable.

And accordingly the standards have dropped.

For some it's objectively poor.

 

[sayon basak]

lol. This is ridiculous. In any sport, skills only go up with time.

Pretty bold of you to assume that.

For example, pitchers in baseball has stopped pitching screwball and knuckleball, although those were very effective (just because they're hard to pitch and almost nobody's left to teach them).

So, some aspect of a specific sport can face degradation over time.

 

[Coronis]

Yes. The 30's and immediate post war period of the '40's were the flattest era of cricket. There was a conscious decision to spice up the pitches in England and Australia from about 1950 or so.

Don’t forget the 20’s.

There were objectively better bowlers in the 30’s than the 20’s which may have contributed but the 20’s were even higher scoring than the 30’s.

 

[subshakerz]

People keep saying that we are in a bowling era and point to batting averages to support that. But from watching cricket the last couple years I would suggest that that we are in an era of some of the least skilled, low patience, t20 influenced batsmen in a while.

Some of these batting collapses that we see these days dint speak to skill level, the opposite really.

I think it's that and the wobbly seam delivery.

 

[BazBall21]

It's a combination of things. Wobble seam is one of them.

 

[subshakerz]

And accordingly the standards have dropped.

For some it's objectively poor.

I don't agree with a lot he posted but he may be right that the practical difference between a safe keeper and a great keeper isn't as huge as batting or bowling counterparts. None of us are going to let go of a 30 odd averaging keeper bat for a Wasim Bari.

A bad keeper yes is horrible.