shortpitched713
International Captain
I know there are some sheltered enclaves in India, but I must ask, do you enjoy your life in cloud-****oo land?
And thats totally ignoring the historical inaccuracies that that statement would imply.
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I know there are some sheltered enclaves in India, but I must ask, do you enjoy your life in cloud-****oo land?
And thats totally ignoring the historical inaccuracies that that statement would imply.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Bit harsh TBH.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
depends on your definition... I don't include other forms of discrimination such as casteism under racism.
I know there are some sheltered enclaves in India, but I must ask, do you enjoy your life in cloud-****oo land?
And thats totally ignoring the historical inaccuracies that that statement would imply.
Care to give any examples of when racism DID exist in India from YOUR ****oo land?
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Maybe you can read the discussion which occured after Bharani made that post instead of just posting a smart arse reply.
I know there are some sheltered enclaves in India, but I must ask, do you enjoy your life in cloud-****oo land?
And thats totally ignoring the historical inaccuracies that that statement would imply.
Shaggy Alfresco
State Captain
I googled "racism in india", didn't really find much except this:
http://www.shivamvij.com/2007/02/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash.html
http://www.shivamvij.com/2007/02/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash.html
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Interesting article.
neutralguy
U19 Debutant
A nice piece of article in hindustan times.,
http://hindustantimes.com/StoryPage...fa2463&&IsCricket=true&Headline=Crowded+house
http://hindustantimes.com/StoryPage...fa2463&&IsCricket=true&Headline=Crowded+house
isn't there a generalization of all south indians as "madrasis" irrespective of which state/region they come from? and it is definitely used as an offensive term...in addition, you see these south indian stereotypes that are portrayed as ridiculous caricatures in commercial hindi movies(maybe it is reducing nowadays and in any case not everyone does it but if you are talking about 35 years, then it definitely has existed to a significant degree)...
Rajeev
U19 12th Man
You are absolutely right, anyone after bombay is just madrasi. I never knew it was offensive until recently
archie mac
International Coach
Not sure, but there are lots of Taxi drivers in Melbourne and Sydney who are from Pakistan or India, don't catch buses in those cities so not sure about that.
Nothing better when you get a taxi driver from the Sub. Cont. they almost always love to talk cricket and with great passion and a lot of knowledge
R_D
International Debutant
Stereotyping would be the word i'd say.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Dunno, something like 20% of my medical school class is either Indian or Pakistani (1% of the population), but I don't see any banners saying 'Surgeons vs. Neurologists'.
R_D
International Debutant
considering i also know lower caste people that have done quite well for themselves by hiding their cast and heard of plenty who have done so. So should say you're simply wrong as well ? I never disputed that it castism doesn't exist in india but to think its far worse than racism in West is quite wrong as well.
Alot of racism in west is not in your face like castism in India.
Fact the matter is you can get away with it in major cities while probaly not possible in smaller towns. That can apply to alot of indians not just lower caste and instead of cleaning toilets the kids could be working in a restaurant, doing some labour on farm, servants at someone's house ie celaning toilets, cloths etc etc. They are also born in poor and uneducated family.
Not interested in what might happen. Whether you are right or wrong about the future, it is irrelevent to what is happening right now - or at least has happened in my personal experience - which is what my post is aimed at.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough
Rajeev
U19 12th Man
Its still a tease, a display of showing class.
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OK, AFAIK Mcgrath has been accused too
McGrath accused of racial slur
A storm has broken out over alleged racial insults made to members of the Sri Lankan team
by Australian fast bowlers Glenn McGrath.
Retired Sri Lankan star Roshan Mahanama made the allegations in his autobiography, Retired
Hurt which is being released in Australia later this week. In his memoir, Mahanama describes
the incident, which occurred between McGrath and Sanath Jayasuriya in the second one-day
final at the SCG on January 19, 1996.
"McGrath called Sanath a ‘black monkey’ - to my mind, a very serious offence as it has overtones
of racism," Mahanama writes.
The racial slur made headline news in Australia on Tuesday after Channel Seven News broadcast
excerpts from the book.
Mahanama makes no bones about the poor on-field relations between Sri Lanka and Australia.
"One or two times the Australians stepped over the line. No-one likes being called a black bastard,"
he writes. "The Australians' ranking of No 1 in the world is tarnished by their on-field behaviour.
The sledging goes on every season, under every captain."
Meanwhile the Australian Cricket Board is reportedly trying to establish the truth behind Mahanama’s
allegations, as the batsman did not play in the game in question.
The ACB also questioned the standing umpire in the SCG final, Peter Parker of Queensland.
"We have spoken to one of the umpires. He's advised us that he didn't see or hear anything of that
nature during the game," ACB chief executive Malcolm Speed told the Melbourne Age on Tuesday.
"No report was made, the match referee made no report of it, and the allegations are third-hand."
The other umpire who stood in that match, Steve Randall, could not be contacted by the ACB as he
is currently serving a prison sentence in Tasmania as a *** offender.
Veterans of the match in question reportedly told the ACB that Jayasuriya had been called “spider
monkey” because of his idiosyncratic movements.
Speed made it clear that the ACB takes a tough stance on racism, and said that the board had a
specifically tasked racial and religious vilification code to deal with such matters.
"We're keen to ensure that racism has no place in the game, and it's totally unacceptable for any
Australian cricketer to racially abuse any person," Speed said.
However if McGrath is found to be guilty of the abuse, the code could prove to be a paper tiger, as
it was not put in place until 1998. With incident already two years old at the time, at worst McGrath
can be charged with brining the came into disreput
biased indian
International Coach
See you will get examples for every thing ..alower caste man getting beaten killed or anything u like....
Do you know that lower caste people has hold every single powerful post avilable in india be it politically or beaurcatically....
Can you name a single person holding the highest office in there country in USA or AUS
so does thast make them bad than india ??????
In a country of billion people u might get 1000 examples but if in a country of 0.3 billion you get 500 example you know where more trouble is happening more.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
That Mahanama allegation is one of the more interesting ones going around. Comes out with his book, hadn't been reported at the time. Yet he's very specific about which game, but there's been no-one to come out and back him up yet.
Yet he d oesn't say that anyone called him or his teammates that?Mahanama said:
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Just on this, is there any particular reason why all the taxi drivers I get who are originally from India all seem to be from Punjab? I mean it's good, because I've been to the area and can talk some dross to them, but I just find it peculiar.Rajeev said:
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Mahanama's take on the issue :- http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/31maha.htmThat Mahanama allegation is one of the more interesting ones going around. Comes out with his book, hadn't been reported at the time. Yet he's very specific about which game, but there's been no-one to come out and back him up yet.
Yet he d oesn't say that anyone called him or his teammates that?
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Before moving to cabs in UK and US, the drivers from Punjab were known for being lorry drivers all over India. There is a reason for that. First of all most of them are not just Punjabis but Sikhs.
Punjabis in gemeral and Sikhs in particular used to be very reluctant to take on jobs other than as soldiers. Thus agriculture or an army career was what most Sikhs would be found in (their are some communities/castes that go into trading). It has something to do with the Punjabi psyche and a mild rebellious/independent nature.
When trucks got marketed in India on lease (the first capital good for many decades to be so marketed), they found this a fabulous way of working while being the owners of their own destiny. Whole families went in to this. Each adult boy would borrow money from the bank, get a lorry, work like a maniac (driving 16 hours + a day), pay back the bank and own the truck which was the dream of a life time !
Very many of them started adding more trucks and getting brothers and cousins to drive them and so you have 'transporter families' in Punjab mostly Sikhs. There children invariably would be school drop outs beant on making a career in transport. There was also a romanticism attached to these young drivers and the youngsters in their villages would look at them as role models - seriously.
When the lure of the Wes\t came calling many boys from these families started migrating and not having much education they opted for one thing all of them knew from early teens, driving. And soon more and more were joining them from back home.
The same is true for Punjabi Muslims from Pakistan.
They are a great community trust me with a great earthy sense of humour and by and large (though times are changing and how) are men of honour who would be trusted implicitely. In Calcutta they still say that if you want to send young girls alone at night by cab, look for a Sikh driver.
Thats how it used to be but now, as I said, things are changing.