social said:
I lived and trained with the guy for 12 months so probably know as much as I need to about his talent
oh because if you live with someone, you obviously know more than anyone else about the players talent. by that count bradman's maid knows more about bradman than any other cricketing expert in the world.
social said:
likely to have proven himself an all-time-great but with so few tests who can say that definitively
but of course with ponting scoring against rubbish attacks and failing in india you can. seriously there are many other players- sutcliffe, dravid, barrington, weekes, hammond etc all of whom have better averages after a considerable number of games against every team in the world and against better bowling attacks.
social said:
destroyed all credibility there
why? because you cant prove me otherwise? face it i've already destroyed every evidence that people who have far more knowledge about the game than you do have used to argue against me. you yourself have said that statistics isnt everything, lets hear it then, when has tendulkar performed on seamer friendly wickets away from home? when has tendulkar not choked and played a match winning test inning?
social said:
until proven otherwise, a great player
until proven otherwise? go ahead then, name me 1 occasion, just one occasion where hayden has even remotely succeeded on a seamer friendly track? as far as im concerned, hayden isnt even proven, let alone me having to prove him otherwise. simply because he averages over 55, it doesnt make him an all time great or even close, if you think it did, then you would be precisely what you accuse of being, you rely solely on stats.
social said:
technically wise, agreed, but let's stick with performances
which again goes down to stats, something which you;ve already accused me of being reliant upon.
social said:
hope yo're not referring to the England wicket-keeper
err obviously not.
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social said:
despite the fact that almost everyone whos watched pollock since 01 knows that hes been a shade of his former self on non seamer friendly wickets? and then you accuse me of not watching!
social said:
only bowler capable of getting wickets and got most through process of elimination!
and that certainly explains why he didnt take anywhere near as many wickets at anywhere near the same average in the other games doesnt it?
and if he is the only bowler capable of getting wickets, it doesnt mean that he has to get wickets, its also means that australia would score more runs, something that they clearly didnt.
social said:
Would it hurt you so much to say that Ponting is a very fine player, albeit vulnerable early in his innings, who ranks, according to almost everyone, with the best in the game!
and where exactly have i said that ponting isnt a very good player? no there is a clear difference between being a very good player and being an all time great and ponting will not be an all time great until he actually performs in india. an all time great must be capable of scoring in every condition, not just the conditions he chooses to do so. and i havent heard of anyone, including the biggest ponting fans, that say that he is 2nd only to bradman.
social said:
Lillee did not prove himself on the sub-continent.
yes because he failed in 1 series of 3 games against pakistan, which is certainly the same as playing 8 games spread out over 4 series. like it or not i said after a considerable amount of time.
social said:
Richards was ordinary in New Zealand.
read above.
social said:
Bothan was exposed vs WI.
and name me one person whos said that botham was an all time great batsman? no botham was an all time great all rounder, which is considerably different, because he was simply a good batsman and a good bowler. had he played predominantly as a batsman, he wouldnt have been considered an all time great.
social said:
If that is the case, which I doubt, then I suggest that the next time you watch cricket that you have someone there to explain it for you.
you dont need to worry about that, its quite frankly something that someone whos losing an argument would say. to blindly accept that players are brilliant, without analysing the situation and the conditions is one of the worst crimes in cricket, and a trap that people like you fall into.