Coronis
International Coach
It would be extremely odd to rate Marshall above Anderson based on longevity, I agree.
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Anderson vs Bumrah
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
What if someone thinks lower the better??
Coronis
International Coach
Number of tests - 46
Avg : 29.7
5-fers : 3
SR : 66
That's has been away output of Anderson during his best phase( Since 2010 ) in tests involving top 5 nations.
Anderson is so much behind Bumrah in quality that it's meanigless to talk about longevity. No amount of longevity can make up for not being threaning against top sides in their dens.
Avg : 29.7
5-fers : 3
SR : 66
That's has been away output of Anderson during his best phase( Since 2010 ) in tests involving top 5 nations.
Anderson is so much behind Bumrah in quality that it's meanigless to talk about longevity. No amount of longevity can make up for not being threaning against top sides in their dens.
kyear2
International Coach
If anyone wants to give credit for longevity of 188 tests then they should also take performance for 188 tests and that means,
82 away tests - avg 29.8 - SR 64 - 8 5-fers [ 5-fers each 10-11 tests ]
Versus
33 away tests - Avg 20 - SR 44 11 5-fers [ 5 fers each 3 tests ]
Longevity away from home simply highights the shortcomings. Even in his best phase, Anderson was not that great away against better side.
Anderson has quality and longevity at home, but some like Ashwin has a better at home with tons of MOS. No one will say that Ashwin is a better bowler than Bumrah due to dominating longevity at home.
Anderson was very good with great longevity at home. That's all. He is several tiers below in quality. You can't jump several tiers with longevity.
It reminds me discussion about pushing Anderson with Steyn when Steyn was firing all cylinders.
He was harmless against better teams in their dens with SR approaching 80 with 1 5-fer in this exact same period.
50 matches with avg of 20... what a great record and then 15 of of 50 were in den of better teams with harmless record. This actually reinforces the point about focusing on quality before talking about longevity. It applies to all eras, entire career or even cherypicked periods as well.
In this exact cherry picked period, top teams were Ind, Aus, SA and NZ. Quality drops a lot after that.
Anderson away against better teams: 26 Dec 2013 to 9 Aug 2018
Johan
International Captain
you didn't even get the period he was referencing right bro
It's very close. If we take Anderson's best years (Post 2013 ashes till his retirement), these are their match factors against too teams away from home:
Bumrah's match factors are 1.74 in Australia, 1.13 in South Africa, 1.08 in South Africa, and 0.68 in New Zealand.
Anderson's match factors in this period are 1.62 in New Zealand, 1.03 in India, 1.32 in Australia and 1.10 in South Africa.
Anderson kinda has better match factors. But he didn't really have incredible series like Bumrah had in Australia or England. And his strike rates are also significantly worse as compared to Bumrah's.
But on the other hand, Anderson had much worse support away from home. He also had a subcontinental nation as a top team rather than a SENA nation.
It's a hard one to choose, I'll go Bumrah.
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Bumrah's match factors are 1.74 in Australia, 1.13 in South Africa, 1.08 in South Africa, and 0.68 in New Zealand.
Anderson's match factors in this period are 1.62 in New Zealand, 1.03 in India, 1.32 in Australia and 1.10 in South Africa.
Anderson kinda has better match factors. But he didn't really have incredible series like Bumrah had in Australia or England. And his strike rates are also significantly worse as compared to Bumrah's.
But on the other hand, Anderson had much worse support away from home. He also had a subcontinental nation as a top team rather than a SENA nation.
It's a hard one to choose, I'll go Bumrah.
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I see new periods for Anderson's best years, but story remains the the same. We don't need to do complicated calculations. A quick look is enough to see output in his best years.
Anderson : 27 tests - 2 5-fers - SR of 67.
Not much of a threat away from home against top teams even in his best years.
Coronis
International Coach
Shami > Anderson confirmed
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Where is Steyn in this list?
Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
He's got 48 wkts @28.14 in this period
Johan
International Captain
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Steyn is mid etc for him
sayon basak
International Captain
Philander>Steyn confirmed.
Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
Very unexpected list tbh