Allan Donald vs Joel Garner

[Burgey]

No way he was slogging for declaration in Kolkata 2001, Chennai 2001 or Chennai 2004. In fact made a pair in the Kolkata test.

He also made ducks in Adelaide tests of 1992 and 1999. You are probably right about the 1999 test.

This is a classic example of why you shouldn't only read the first line.

 

[Burgey]

Tendulkar bowled India to two historic wins vs Australia with great spells at Kolkata and Adelaide. Warne went for 6 rpo when the rest of the Australian attack had India on the ropes chasing 150. Sachin > Warne as a spinner in border gavaskar series.

Warne shades it in WC finals though.

That's with the bat btw.

 

[ankitj]

Burgey trying hard to salvage Warne from the embarrassment caused by Stephen's posting. Would be more effective if he countered Stephen instead of "usual suspects".

 

[h_hurricane]

Warne shades it in WC finals though.

That's with the bat btw.

With 2 runs in 2 WC finals ? Tendulkar has scored more WC final runs against Mcgrath alone.

 

[Burgey]

I don't need to counter stephen, because even though I don't share his views on this, it's has been done to death a million times over. I keep popping in hoping to find someone else stupid enough to post Donald was a better bowler than Garner. But in that regard it has been the usual suspects.

 

[Burgey]

With 2 runs in 2 WC finals ? Tendulkar has scored more WC final runs against Mcgrath alone.

If Warne had tendulkar's opportunities at the top of the order with the bat in WC finals he'd have averaged 50 odd.

 

[h_hurricane]

If Warne had tendulkar's opportunities at the top of the order with the bat in WC finals he'd have averaged 50 odd.

That would be equivalent to Tendulkar sharing the new ball in 2003 WC final with Srinath and demolishing the top order. I would of course be happy to dream about it though.

 

[Burgey]

tbf Tendulkar would probably have bowled a fair bit better than Zaheer did that game with the new rock. Jeez he was bad. Shows how blokes evolve, the way he became so good later in his career.

 

[honestbharani]

tbf Tendulkar would probably have bowled a fair bit better than Zaheer did that game with the new rock. Jeez he was bad. Shows how blokes evolve, the way he became so good later in his career.

He went from that overexcited crap he sent down in 2003 to bowling consecutive maidens, landing the ball on a dime in 2011, giving us the perfect start to that game.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah great turn around. Love a redemption arc.

When he gobbed off at Hayden and Gilchrist in 03 you sort of got the impression it wasn’t going to end very well for him that day.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah great turn around. Love a redemption arc.

When he gobbed off at Hayden and Gilchrist in 03 you sort of got the impression it wasn’t going to end very well for him that day.

It was silly coz you know it was not his own idea either. But then Starc has lived out the longer version of this story since 2015.

 

[stephen]

If Warne had tendulkar's opportunities at the top of the order with the bat in WC finals he'd have averaged 50 odd.

Remember that time when Australia experimented with Warne as a pinch hitter in the 96 world cup era? A truly bizarre experiment itbt. Still would have done better with the bat that Sachin in the 03 WC final though.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Remember that time when Australia experimented with Warne as a pinch hitter in the 96 world cup era? A truly bizarre experiment itbt. Still would have done better with the bat that Sachin in the 03 WC final though.

Sachin was the only hope for India in that match.. It was a do or die situation ( Sehwag was not an established / reliable player then). With that impossible target against world's best attack.. Sachin's plan was attack from the word go.. If the team had a Dhoni or Desilva in the middle order Sachin would have opted for a different / safer strategy. Being the only match winner in the team is a difficult life.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Under that kind of #pressure with a billion ppl waiting to burn effigies if we lost its a miracle tendulkar hit that one 4.

 

[h_hurricane]

Remember that time when Australia experimented with Warne as a pinch hitter in the 96 world cup era? A truly bizarre experiment itbt. Still would have done better with the bat that Sachin in the 03 WC final though.

That was a daunting prospect to chase 360. Even if Sachin had blasted a 80 ball 100, India would have still lost. His contribution hardly mattered. Match was already lost before that.

On a different note, Warne had a much easier task to achieve in 2001 Chennai test, as OS said. All he needed to do was not to be a **** when everyone around him was gunning it with only 150 to defend. And yet, gave away run a ball, getting spanked everywhere. Warne being Warne was the one main reason Australia couldn't win 2001 series.

 

[Slifer]

You can explain it away all you want with injury reasons but Warne played several series against India and the best one by far he barely managed to average 30 in a series where he still didn't look as good as India's spinners. That one test where warne bowled well and took 6-150 odd? Kumble picked up 13 wickets. And literally every other series he played vs India, he wasn't just mediocre, he was arguably the worst bowler on show from either side.

He was often out-bowled by not just India's bowlers but by other mediocre spinners Australia had picked.

1992 is the one I'm willing to excuse because he clearly hadn't developed completely yet. But actually had a worse bowling series than Sachin lmao

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1998 - Comprehensively out-bowled by Gavin ****ing Robertson:

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1999- Was bashed around in a series where India had one of their worst performing batting lineups ever. India were getting demolished by McGrath and Lee and Warne still couldnt do a job. Ajit Agarkar had a better series :

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2001- Basically lost them the series singlehandedly and out-bowled by Colin Miller:

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2004- The only non embarrassing Warne series vs India. Decent effort but still not as good statistically in comparison to almost every other bowler in that series from either side.

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To be clear, everyone does have a bogey side. But it is very rare to have a bogey side against whom you never had a single great series and were often the single worst performer on either side. The statistical output above is not just bad it would be genuinely embarrassing for a non-Srinath 90s Indian fast bowler. The real "injury" problem was that he shrank like a mouse every time he saw an Indian batsman.

Pretty conclusive argument imo

 

[trundler]

OS's longpost is a thing of beauty when he busts it out

 

[cnerd123]

Allan Donald

Not the questions is 'Greater' and not 'Better'. I think Donald had the greater career. There was just more of it, and better highlights.

 

[h_hurricane]

This thread is conclusive evidence that the usual suspects are easily better in handing out baits than the guy who supposedly invented it.

 

[honestbharani]

OS's longpost is a thing of beauty when he busts it out

Except on 50s and 100s....