Allan Border vs Steve Waugh

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Waugh is better against WI overall. Border's home record is a bit weak by ATG standards and has a RPI under 45, quite lower than Waugh despite batting higher more often.

Maybe, but I rate Borders 1984 series better and even his 81. Holding and Garner were in ATG form on some very fast pitches

 

[capt_Luffy]

Maybe, but I rate Borders 1984 series better and even his 81. Holding and Garner were in ATG form on some very fast pitches

He also had his fair share of mehs much more often, averaging sub 40 overall.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Overall it is incontestable that at worst, Border’s record is as good as Waugh’s(IMO it is better given Waugh had two clear dodgy countries) and Border has far more success up the order and faced tough attacks in all countries more or less

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

He also had his fair share of mehs much more often, averaging sub 40 overall.

Yes that’s why perhaps Waugh was better overall against WI

 

[capt_Luffy]

Overall it is incontestable that at worst, Border’s record is as good as Waugh’s(IMO it is better given Waugh had two clear dodgy countries) and Border has far more success up the order and faced tough attacks in all countries more or less

Waugh's home record is better and he is an ATG at SA as well. I definitely won't say it's not close between those two. Waugh gets way too underrated.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Waugh's home record is better and he is an ATG at SA as well. I definitely won't say it's not close between those two. Waugh gets way too underrated.

Nah his home record is not better. Both averaged the same and Border has series at home vs Hadlee(the 33 wickets one), 1981 vs WI etc

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Also let’s just agree both are better than Ricky Ponting

 

[capt_Luffy]

Also let’s just agree both are better than Ricky Ponting

You know how to make me go silent reallllyyyyyy well....... I voted Border for the matter and don't really think Waugh has enough of an advantage between two frankly very similar batsmen with quite similar records (favoured position, era, averages, balanced record across tough countries, standing up in crisis; had they managed the same record while opening they would be top contenders for best after Don); to be ranked ahead. Just think it's close between those two. Another argument in favour of Waugh is that he began his career as a bits and pieces all-rounder.

 

[BazBall21]

He also had his fair share of mehs much more often, averaging sub 40 overall.

He specifically didn't do that well on the faster pitches v WI too. He was good against them but not amazing.

 

[271 & 16/166]

My two all time favourite players, so will abstain voting

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Both are bonafide ATGs but Border is probably marginally better

 

[kyear2]

Also let’s just agree both are better than Ricky Ponting

I have Ponting well ahead of Waugh.

 

[DrWolverine]

Border has an average of 45+ in 7 out 8 countries he played.

Border averaged 50+ against 5 out of 7 countries he played against.

Against WI, he averaged 39.4 in 31 Tests. Considering the stellar team they were during his time

In SA, he averaged 38 but he played just 3 Tests.

Against SA, he averaged 33 in 6 Tests.

Overall an excellent record.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Borders tests against SA were at the very end of his career. He would have done very well against them in his peak.

 

[DrWolverine]

Borders tests against SA were at the very end of his career. He would have done very well against them in his peak.

Yep. The personification of grit.

 

[subshakerz]

It's quite close. But AB is the original, Waugh is the student.