All Time Pak XII vs All Time Ind XII

[JBH001]

Well in the welter of All Time Sides currently going on, no one seems to have brought up the sub continental teams.
Seeing as we have just had a great series between the two nations how about an all time one?
The teams will contest 2 back to back 3 test series.
One in India and the return in Pakistan.

My Teams.

Pakistan:

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Inzi ul Haq
4. Zaheer Abbas
5. Javed Miandad
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Wasim Bari (wk)
9. Waqar Younis
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir
12. Sarfraz Nawaz

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev (c)
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri


Pakistan to take the series overall - having drawn the series in India 1-1 and winning in Pakistan 2-1.

 

[EnglishRose]

Well in the welter of All Time Sides currently going on, no one seems to have brought up the sub continental teams.
Seeing as we have just had a great series between the two nations how about an all time one?
The teams will contest 2 back to back 3 test series.
One in India and the return in Pakistan.

My Teams.

Pakistan:

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Inzi ul Haq
4. Zaheer Abbas
5. Javed Miandad
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Wasim Bari (wk)
9. Waqar Younis
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir
12. Sarfraz Nawaz

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar (c)
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri


Pakistan to take the series overall - having drawn the series in India 1-1 and winning in Pakistan 2-1.

Mohammad Nissar was actually born in Lahore - he did play for pre-partition India but I suspect he would have played for Pakistan if had that option.

Pakistan have by far the better bowling lineup -- although I would have Gupte in place of Bedi for India.
The batting is a lot closer though.

Pakistan to win overall.

 

[Waughney]

Well in the welter of All Time Sides currently going on, no one seems to have brought up the sub continental teams.
Seeing as we have just had a great series between the two nations how about an all time one?
The teams will contest 2 back to back 3 test series.
One in India and the return in Pakistan.

My Teams.

Pakistan:

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Inzi ul Haq
4. Zaheer Abbas
5. Javed Miandad
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Wasim Bari (wk)
9. Waqar Younis
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir
12. Sarfraz Nawaz

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar (c)
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri


Pakistan to take the series overall - having drawn the series in India 1-1 and winning in Pakistan 2-1.

What's your reasoning behind having Tendulkar captain?

 

[JBH001]

To be honest because there really is no stand out skipper in that group.
Tendulkar as the best batsman therefore gets the nod - Kapil would find it a burden and I dont think Gavaskar had what it takes.
Hopefully Tendulkar would find the burden of captaincy alleviated by having people like Gavaskar, Kapil and Kirmani around him.
Dravid as the Vice Captain btw.

English Rose thanks for the heads up on Nissar - I did not know he was born in Lahore. However as he represented India he plays for India in my team.
(if that is impossible - for whatever reason - Ghavri comes into the playing XI and Prasanna is my 12th man)

 

[bennyr]

Kapil would find it a burden

Ooh. I can't agree with that.

Remember, Kapil Dev was a world cup winning captain, and a real leader of men. He had the fire in the belly that makes a great captain, and I'd have him over Tendulkar any day. I reckon Tendulkar would be far more likely to find the captaincy a burden.

Apart from that I reckon your Indian team is great.

With your Pakistan team I don't think I'd have Imran at number six. He was good enough for a top six spot in most teams, but not good enough for a top six spot in an all time team.

My team would be :

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Inzi ul Haq
4. Zaheer Abbas
5. Javed Miandad
6. Saleem Malik
7. Imran Khan (c)
8. Wasim Akram
9. Wasim Bari (wk)
10. Waqar Younis
11. Abdul Qadir
12. Fazal Mahmood

(I fully admit that this is copied, pasted and edited from JBH001's team. I am by nature a lazy bugger.)

 

[twctopcat]

Pakistan bowlers in their peak would own anyone, and i mean anyone. Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Abdul Qadir, wow.

 

[tooextracool]

To be honest because there really is no stand out skipper in that group.

umm kapil dev won the world cup for india in 83 with not a very talented side.

Tendulkar as the best batsman therefore gets the nod

just because hes the best batsman(although for me he is no match for dravid or gavaskar) doesnt mean he should be captain....hes been a terrible captain in the past as has lara.

Kapil would find it a burden and I dont think Gavaskar had what it takes.

umm gavaskar doesnt have what it takes while tendulkar does? so what has tendulkar ever done as a captain to warrant that?

 

[tooextracool]

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar (c)
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri

wow thats an extremely long tail....srinath at 8???

 

[marc71178]

Pakistan would win comfortably IMO as they have a bowling attack as well as batsmen...

 

[Sehwag309]

Pakistan would win comfortably IMO as they have a bowling attack as well as batsmen...

IMO, Wasim and Waq would be enough for Indian batsmen and tendulkar in his prime would be enough for Pakistani bowlers.

Although a fantasy this XI, but anybody's game

 

[chicane]

My teams -

Pakistan

Saeed Anwar
Javed Miandad
Hanif Mohammad
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Zaheer Abbas
Yousuf Youhanna
Moin Khan (wk)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis

Possible changesSaqlain Mushtaq for Abdul Qadir, Shoaib Akhtar for Waqar Younis.

India

Sunil Gavaskar
Vinoo Mankad
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Gundappa Vishwanath
Farookh Engineer (wk)
Kapil Dev (c)
Javagal Srinath
Roger Binny
Anil Kumble
Bishan Bedi

Possible changes - Nayan Mongia for Engineer, Venkatesh Prasad for Roger Binny, Erapalli Prasanna for Anil Kumble.

 

[aussie_beater]

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar (c)
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri


Pakistan to take the series overall - having drawn the series in India 1-1 and winning in Pakistan 2-1.

I would put Jimmy Amarnath ahead of Gundappa Viswanath, because to face a very good fast bowling attack like Pakistan, Amarnath is a much better option then Viswanath.

 

[aussie_beater]

My teams -

Pakistan

Saeed Anwar
Mohsin Khan (dunno if this is his exact name, the guy who scored a 100 on debut against India)
Hanif Mohammad
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Ijaz Ahmed
Yousuf Youhanna
Moin Khan (wk)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis

Possible changes - Bring in Salim Malik for Mohsin, get Ijaz to open, Saqlain Mushtaq for Abdul Qadir, Shoaib Akhtar for Waqar Younis.

Hmmm..... Ijaz Ahmed and Yousuf Youhana are in at the expense of Javed Miandad and Zaheer Abbas ....this must be the best day of their life

 

[chicane]

Hmmm..... Ijaz Ahmed and Yousuf Youhana are in at the expense of Javed Miandad and Zaheer Abbas ....this must be the best day of their life

Hehe sorry for overlooking (!) them.

 

[a massive zebra]

My Teams.

Pakistan:

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam-Ul-Haq
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Wasim Bari (wk)
9. Saqlain Mustaq
10. Waqar Younis
11. Shoaib Akhtar

12. Yousuf Youhanna

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar (c)
5. Vijay Hazare
6. Kapil Dev
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Anil Kumble
9. Harbhajan Singh
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi

12. Vinoo Mankad

 

[PommieMacGill]

Mohammad Nissar was actually born in Lahore - he did play for pre-partition India but I suspect he would have played for Pakistan if had that option.

Nissar was born in Punjab, although he died in Lahore. Maybe you confused the two. Here's his profile - http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/PLAYERS/IND/N/NISSAR_M_06000599/

 

[JBH001]

Ah thanks for that Pommie.
Nissar can play in my team then.

As for the captaincy comments you are all correct.
Tendulkar should not be captain - it has best go to Kapil.

Though Jimmy Amarnath was a good player of pace I dont believe Vishy was slack in this department either - though later in his career as his reflexes slowed he was more susceptible to pace.
Some of his best knocks were against the WI attack, albeit, predominantly on Indian pitches. But then this series is being played on the sub continent and that really is not an issue.
Besides he is a better batsman than Amarnath and along with Gavaskar, Dravid and Tendulkar is imo one of the 4 Best Indian Batsman ever. He deserves inclusion.

As to the long tail - Srinath is needed to bolster an already, comparatively, weak bowling attack. Ghavri is 12th man as he was a decent bat - and if needs be steps into the side to fill that void in the lower order.

 

[SJS]

Mohammad Nissar was actually born in Lahore - he did play for pre-partition India but I suspect he would have played for Pakistan if had that option.

I dont know about wanting but he couldnt possibly have played for Pakistan because oit did not exist as a country when Nissar played !!

 

[SJS]

My Teams.

Pakistan:

1. Hanif Mohammed
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Inzi ul Haq
4. Zaheer Abbas
5. Javed Miandad
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Wasim Akram
8. Wasim Bari (wk)
9. Waqar Younis
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir
12. Sarfraz Nawaz

India:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Gundappa Viswanath
6. Kapil Dev (c)
7. Syed Kirmani (wk)
8. Javagal Srinath
9. Anil Kumble
10. Mohammed Nissar
11. Bishen Bedi
12. Kharsan Ghavri


Pakistan to take the series overall - having drawn the series in India 1-1 and winning in Pakistan 2-1.

Pakistan attack has a bit of a lack of variety in four new ball bowlers. I would replace Sarfaraz with either Saqlain or Iqbal Qasim.

For India, I would replace Vishwanath with Vijay Hazare. I am tempted to replace Merchant with Mankad since it gives more flexibility to the side and can get in another batsman by dropping Bishan.

I would replace Shrinath and Ghavri with much better bowlers even if they are not new ball bowlers. No Indian side would ever have prefered these two over Gupte, Chandrashekhar or Prasanna. Take your pick !

On who will win, well who can say. India have better spinners, Pakistan a better new ball attack. The batting sides are a toss up with Indian batting a bit more impressive sounding

 

[marc71178]

The thing is India's spin attack isn't that much better than Pakistan's, but Pakistan's pace attack is far far superior to India's!