All-Time New Zealand XIs - A re-run

[ataraxia]

Southee
Taylor

Wagner

McCullum

Jamieson's really not in the picture IMO. If you want someone with an amazing peak and serviceable otherwise, then Henry and Bond have done more tbh.

 

[Flem274*]

Bond
B Taylor
Wagner
McCullum

 

[Teuton]

Southee
Bond
Wagner
McCullum

 

[Bitmap]

Southee
Bond
Wagner
McCullum

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Bond
B Taylor
Wagner
McCullum

 

[vandem]

Southee
Bond
Wagner
McCullum

+1

 

[NZTailender]

Southee
Collinge
Wagner
McCullum

 

[Northerner]

Bond
Southee discarding last 2 years
Collinge
McCullum.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Southee
Taylor

Wagner

McCullum

Jamieson's really not in the picture IMO. If you want someone with an amazing peak and serviceable otherwise, then Henry and Bond have done more tbh.

Jamieson is competing with Wagner for a change bowler spot though (not a new ball spot).

If Wagner had been picked in the 1st team, then Jamieson would've made the 2nd XI.

 

[Athlai]

Southee
Bond

Wagner
McCullum

 

[Flem274*]

How is Southee getting so many votes lol stop looking at the matches played column

 

[Athlai]

30 matches at an average of 26 - B Taylor

Southee has periods of his career where he did that or better over 60+ matches

 

[NZTailender]

30 matches at an average of 26 - B Taylor

Southee has periods of his career where he did that or better over 60+ matches

Southee had 30 matches where he was poor, bookending his career essentially.

He had 77 tests where he was very, very good. That's twice or three times as long as some of the other names thrown about. It should count for something.

 

[Bahnz]

Taylor
Bond
Wagner
McCullum

 

[Line and Length]

Bond
Taylor
Wagner
McCullem

 

[Fuller Pilch]

30 matches at an average of 26 - B Taylor

Southee has periods of his career where he did that or better over 60+ matches

Also had periods when he did MUCH worse plus Taylor can bat. Since Ajaz, Wagner, and Bond are all tailenders we need someone at 8 who can bat. Taylor is a better version of Dion Nash. Hopefully Smith can be a similar player.

 

[ataraxia]

This Southee hate is definitely a case example of reactionary CW. He was viewed in a much better light 3 years ago and will be again in 3 years' time.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

New Zealand XI	New Zealand A
1. GM Turner	1. CS Dempster
2. B Sutcliffe	2. MH Richardson
3. KS Williamson*	3. SP Fleming
4. MD Crowe	4. MP Donnelly
5. LRPL Taylor	5.
6. BJ Watling+	6.
7. CL Cairns	7.
8. DL Vettori	8.
9. RJ Hadlee	9.
10. TA Boult	10.
11. J Cowie	11.

Donnelly at 5 please.

 

[Flem274*]

I've never rated Southee much outside his 2012 to 2015 peak. His face value stats look better than they are.

 

[Flem274*]

30 matches at an average of 26 - B Taylor

Southee has periods of his career where he did that or better over 60+ matches

I think there's a danger PEWSian theory is replacing watching, reading and thinking with counting matches.

Taylor was more a proto-Wagner, who was taller than Southee and who could bat. That's so much more versatile than an along the wicket bowler who Lathams his stats a bit.