All-time Great XI - Voting system

[weldone]

Similar to the point raised about Worrell, I'd suggest to shift Mohinder Amarnath from all-rounders to batsmen to give him a realistic chance to get selected in case someone rates his batting higher than Vishy, Laxman, Umrigar, Ganguly, Vengsarkar.

 

[Goughy]

Unclear of the balance for the SA side as picking Eddie Barlow would be a very capable 5th bowler yet he isnt listed as an allrounder and the team could easily be carrying 6 bowlers in this format.

 

[kingkallis]

I will take all these suggestions into consideration and update the list in sometime.

 

[kingkallis]

So I have taken almost all suggested changes into consideration and made this list:

Australia: Victor Trumper, Matthew Hayden, Arthur Morris, Bob Simpson, Bill Ponsford, Bill Lawry, Sid Barnes / Don Bradman, Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Alan Border, Clem Hill, Neil Harvey, Steve Waugh, Stan McCabe, Micheal Clarke, Doug Walters / Keith Miller, Alan Davidson, Charles Macartney, Richie Benaud, Monty Noble / Adam Gilchrist, Ian Healy, Rod Marsh, Dan Tallon, Bert Oldfield / Glenn McGrath, Dennis Lillee, Bill O'Reilly, Shane Warne, Ray Lindwall, Clarrie Grimmett, Fred Spofforth
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

England: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Herbert Sutcliffe, WG Grace / Wally Hammond, Ken Barrington, Dennis Compton, Kumar Ranjitsinhji, Kevin Pietersen, David Gower, Peter May, Ted Dexter / Ian Botham, Frank Woolley, Andrew Flintoff, Tony Greig, Maurice Tate, Wilfred Rhodes / Allan Knott, Les Ames, Godfrey Evans / Sydney Barnes, Fred Trueman, Jim Laker, Headley Verity, Alec Bedser, Harold Larwood, John Snow, Derek Underwood, James Anderson, Bob willis, George Lohmann, Brian Statham
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

West Indies: Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Conrad Hunte, Roy Fredericks, Chris Gayle / Viv Richards, Brian Lara, George Headley, Everton Weekes, Rohan Kanhai, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Frank Worrell, Alvin Kalicharan, Lawrence Rowe, Richie Richardson, Clive Lloyd / Gary Sobers, Dwayne Bravo, Baron Constantine / Clyde Walcott, Jeff Dujon / Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Andy Roberts, Micheal Holding, Courtney Walsh, Wes Hall, Ian Bishop, Lance Gibbs, Colin Croft, Joel Garner, Sonny Ramadhin, Alf Valentine
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

South Africa: Barry Richards, Graeme Smith, Bruce Mitchell, Eddie Barlow / Graeme Pollock, Dudley Nourse, AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla, Herbie Taylor, Colin Bland, Daryll Cullinan, Hansie Cronje / Jacques Kallis, Mike Procter, Aubrey Faulkner, Trevor Goddard, Shaun Pollock, Brian McMillan, Eddie Barlow / Mark Boucher, Dennis Lindsey, John Waite, Jock Cameron / Allan Donald, Dale Steyn, Peter Pollock, Hugh Tayfield, Makhaya Ntini, Neil Adkock, Bert Vogler, Fanie de Villiers, Vernon Philander
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

India: Sunil Gavaskar, Vijay Merchant, Virender Sehwag, Navjot Sidhu / Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Vijay Hazare, Mohammad Azharuddin, Gundappa Vishwanath, Dilip Vengsarkar, Mohinder Amarnath, VVS Laxman, Polly Umrigar, Saurav Ganguly / Kapil Dev, Vinoo Mankad, Irfan Pathan / MS Dhoni, Syed Kirmani, Farok Engineer / Subhash Gupte, Bhagwat Chandrashekhar, Bishan Bedi, Erapalli Prasanna, Zaheer Khan, Javagal Srinath, Amar Singh, Anil Kumble, Harbhajan Singh, Mohammad Nissar
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Pakistan: Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Anwar, Majid Khan, Shoaib Mohammad / Javed Miandad, Inzamam ul Haq, Zaheer Abbas, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Misbah ul Haq, Saleem Malik, Asif Iqbal / Imran Khan, Mustaq Mohammad, Intekhab Alam / Wasim Bari, Rashid Latif, Moin Khan / Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Fazal Mahmood, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Mohammad Asif, Saqlain Mushtaq, Abdul Qadir, Mushtaq Ahmed, Saeed Ajmal, Danish Kaneria, Iqbal Qasim
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

New Zealand: Glenn Turner, Mark Richardson, John Wright / Martin Crowe, Stephen Fleming, Geoff Howarth, Andrew Jones, Ross Taylor, Bert Sutcliffe, Stevie Dempster, JF Reid, Nathan Astle, Kane Williamson, Craig McMillan, Jeremy Coney / Richard Hadlee, John Reid, Chris Cairns, Lance Cairns, Jacob Oram / Brendon McCullum, Ian Smith, Ken Wadsworth, Adam Parore, BJ Watling / Daniel Vettori, Chris Pringle, Danny Morrison, Jack Cowie, Simon Doull, Shane Bond, Chris Martin, Ewen Chatfield, Trent Boult, Dick Motz
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

Sri Lanka: Marvan Atapattu, Sanath Jayasuriya, Tilakaratne Dilshan, Brendon Kuruppu / Aravinda de Silva, Mahela Jayawardene, Kumara Sangakkara, Thilan Samaraweera, Arjuna Ranatunga, Ashanka Gurusinha, Hashan Tilakaratne, Dinesh Chandimal, Roy Dias, Duleep Mendis, Roshan Mahanama / Angelo Matthews, Ravi Ratnayake, Upul Chandana, Chandika Hathurasinghe / Prasanna Jayawardena, Romesh Kaluwitharana / Chaminda Vaas, Muttiah Muralitharan, Rangana Herath, Asantha de Mel, Lasith Malinga, RMS Eranga, Suraj Randiv, Pramodya Wickramasinghe, Dilhara Fernando
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Zimbabwe: Grant Flower, Alastair Campbell, Kevin Arnott, Tino Mawoyo / Dave Houghton, Murray Goodwin, Andrew Flower, Andy Pycroft, Stuart Carlisle, Guy Whittall, Hamilton Masakadza, Neil Johnson, Mark Vermeulen / Travis Friend, Andy Blignaut, Sean Ervine, Douglas Marillier / Brendon Taylor, Tatenda Taibu / Heath Streak, Eddo Brandes, Paul Strang, Ray Price, Henry Olonga, Kyle Jarvis, David Brain, Bryan Strang, John Traicos, TL Chatara, T Panyangara
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 1 all rounder, 1 wicket keeper, 4 bowlers

Bangladesh: Tamim Iqbal, Javed Omar, Shahriar Nafees / Aminul Islam, Habibul Bashar, Mominul Haque, Mohammad Ashraful, Rajin Saleh, Junaid Siddique, Naeem Islam, Nassir Hossain, Nafees Iqbal, Akram Khan / Sakib al Hasan, Mahmudullah, Khaled Mahmud / Mushfiq ur Rahim, Khaled Mashud / Tapash Baisya, Sohag Gazi, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammed Rafique, Enamul Haque Jr., Robiul Islam
Team Combo: 2 Openers, 3 Middle order batsman, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper, 3 bowlers

 

[weldone]

What about this one?

Similar to the point raised about Worrell, I'd suggest to shift Mohinder Amarnath from all-rounders to batsmen to give him a realistic chance to get selected in case someone rates his batting higher than Vishy, Laxman, Umrigar, Ganguly, Vengsarkar.

 

[harsh.ag]

Hey KK, have a couple more:

1) Australia shouldn't have 2 all-rounders from that lot, I think. It makes it impossible to choose all 4 of McGrath, Lillee, Warne, and O'Reilly. Which is sad.

2) Instead of Dwayne Bravo, one of Learie Constantine and Collie Smith is perhaps a better second all-rounder choice for the Windies.

3) Mohinder Amarnath should definitely be in the middle order bats section.

 

[kingkallis]

Fair enough @ harsh.ag - done!

I thought I had already moved Jimmy to the batting pool. Correct now @ weldone

 

[kingkallis]

Other suggestions fellas? If no then I will post the ODI teams now.

 

[Red]

As harsh said, the bonus of an Aust XI only having one all rounder is that you can pick Miller in the top six, who allows you to pick Warne AND O'Reilly if you want to.

Trumper
Morris
Bradman
Chappell
Miller
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

The Aust team should really only have 1 AR, because if it's taken as a given that we'll have Gilly, we have two anyway.

Edit- see you've corrected that

 

[Coronis]

Or Grimmett and O'Reilly

 

[Red]

Or Grimmett and O'Reilly

No arguments from me. All three equally deserving of a spot imo.

 

[harsh.ag]

Or Grimmett and O'Reilly

Already been done in real life. What then would be the point of fantasy?

 

[kyear2]

Personally believe Chappell was a good enough bowler to be the all rounder for this team without weakening the batting. Additionally Davidson as the third seamer would bring even greater variety and potency to the attack as well as being a good lower order bat and fielder.

See signature below for full team.

 

[kingkallis]

Personally I'd take Davidson over O'Reilly as Aussies already have the best ever leg spinner but yeah Miller at 6 and Gilchrist at 7 takes care of it so 4 bowlers would not be such a bad idea.

 

[Coronis]

**** me we've really been blessed with leggies. Nobody from any country really comes close to em. (Barnes doesn't count)

 

[harsh.ag]

Chadrasekhar, Gupte, and Kumble are a good lot as well But Australia have definitely had the best bunch.

 

[Flametree]

Sorry but the NZ selection is kind of weird....

You've put Chris Pringle in there... Chris Pringle??????? 30 test wickets at an average of 46.... I think you're thinking of someone else. Dion Nash maybe? Tim Southee, Tony MacGibbon, Frank Cameron.... even Neil bloody Wagner....

Bruce Taylor isn't in the list anywhere. I'd put him as a bowler rather than an allrounder.

Lance Cairns was never an allrounder.

Any NZ middle order list that doesn't include Martin Donnelly is seriously lacking. Dempster is more of an opening option.

Bevan Congdon is better than Geoff Howarth Could even be worth a mention in the allrounder slot though in truth no-one's going to pick him for the top xi.


A bit lacking in West Indian wicket-keepers. The Cricinfo best ofs went all funky with Jackie Hendriks I think in their all-time West Indian side as a much better keeper to spin than either Walcott or Dujon. Derryck Murray another option. Gerry Gomez is a much better allrounder than Dwayne Bravo though with Sobers in there it's all a bit irrelevant anyway.

 

[NUFAN]

What's the purpose of having a defined team combo KK?

 

[weldone]

Kk, Can you please provide an option to select both Miller and Davidson in the same team (maybe by dropping Davidson to bowlers)? I'd like both in my All-Time Aussie XI.

 

[kingkallis]

What's the purpose of having a defined team combo KK?

I couldnt keep the combinations fixed ( i.e., 2 all-rounders fixed as India, Pak, SL would have struggled to provide the 2nd one ) in the fear of fan bois ruining the team combinations since its an open voting system.