All time England ODI XI

[Rob Wesley]

Let’s make an all time ODI XI for England:-

Gooch
Trescrothik
Root
KP
Morgan(c)
Stokes
Buttler(wkt)
Flintoff
Swann
Gough
Anderson

12th man - Botham.

Pick yours.

 

[Line and Length]

I'd have Nick Knight ahead of Trescothick, Derek Underwood ahead of Swann and Bob Willis instead of Gough.

 

[ImpatientLime]

roy
bairstow
root
morgan (c)
flintoff
stokes
buttler (w)
plunkett
rashid
swann
gough

trescothick, gooch and knight were all fine ODI openers but roy and bairstows stats and S/R as a partnership at their peak were monstrous.

if flintoff gets in he has to bat #5. he scored 1.8k runs at a 46 avg and 96 s/r. all 3 of his centuries came there. his stats elsewhere barely befit a batsman. buttler is probably 1 slot too low but he could float up the order if need be.

stokes and flintoff in the top 6 allows you to get away two spinners, both of whom are near the top of englands admittedly underwhelming list of best ODI bowlers.

plunkett is just a top middle overs bowler although he might leave you low on new ball options. anderson or willis probably your best alternatives there.

gough was a legit gun in ODIs. him and flintoff in the death overs would be a very strong double act.

 

[Molehill]

trescothick, gooch and knight were all fine ODI openers but roy and bairstows stats and S/R as a partnership at their peak were monstrous.

I kind of feel like you have to ignore that a little as they're playing at a different time. I have no doubt Trescothick could've matched that style and I'd pick him over Bairstow (which also gives a left/right partnership).

When you look at the Top ODI bowlers, the record which stands out is Flintoff's, his average so much better than the others. Rashid's record is gradually waning and I'd have Swann above him. I'm trying to work out how you get KP into that middle order, but his record is pretty similar to Morgan's who obviously stays for his captaincy skills (as opposed to being a divisive ****).

Also still crazy that Anderson is top wicket taker, easy to forget , but his average not as good as Willis. Botham at 8 would be a pretty handy late hitter and his bowling stats are solid.

Trescothick, Roy, Root, Morgan*, Stokes, Buttler+, Flintoff, Botham, Swann, Gough, Willis

 

[Srinath P]

Roy, Bairstow, Root, KP, Morgan, Flintoff, Jos, Swann, Anderson, Gough, Willis

That's a really shitty bowling lineup for an all time XI, ngl. I think only Bangladesh has a worse attack among top 8-10 countries.

 

[mackembhoy]

Not picking Roy and Bairstow in the OP is mental

 

[Molehill]

Roy, Bairstow, Root, KP, Morgan, Flintoff, Jos, Swann, Anderson, Gough, Willis

That's a really shitty bowling lineup for an all time XI, ngl. I think only Bangladesh has a worse attack among top 8-10 countries.

There's only one England player who has bowled in 2 World Cup Finals, and I don't think he's going to get a spot here (Phil De Freitas).

 

[ImpatientLime]

I kind of feel like you have to ignore that a little as they're playing at a different time. I have no doubt Trescothick could've matched that style and I'd pick him over Bairstow (which also gives a left/right partnership).

When you look at the Top ODI bowlers, the record which stands out is Flintoff's, his average so much better than the others. Rashid's record is gradually waning and I'd have Swann above him. I'm trying to work out how you get KP into that middle order, but his record is pretty similar to Morgan's who obviously stays for his captaincy skills (as opposed to being a divisive ****).

Also still crazy that Anderson is top wicket taker, easy to forget , but his average not as good as Willis. Botham at 8 would be a pretty handy late hitter and his bowling stats are solid.

Trescothick, Roy, Root, Morgan*, Stokes, Buttler+, Flintoff, Botham, Swann, Gough, Willis

Even for their time Roy and Bairstow were ahead of the curve.

 

[reyrey]

Worth pointing out the Trescothick has a significantly better strike rate in T20s than Roy and Bairstow.

Hick is another one.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bairstow
Trescothick
Root
KP
Stokes*
Buttler+
Flintoff
Swann
Archer
Gough
Anderson


Squad:
Roy
Morgan
Rashid
Willis

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Trescothick
Bairstow
Root
Morgan (c)
Flintoff
Collingwood
Buttler (wk)
Plunkett
Swann
Gough
Willis

 

[slcricfan1]

Bairstow
Trescothick
Root
KP
Stokes*
Buttler+
Flintoff
Swann
Archer
Gough
Anderson


Squad:
Roy
Morgan
Rashid
Willis

Why Anderson over Willis?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Why Anderson over Willis?

Don't really think there's much between them after adjusting for Era. Took Jimmy as he is still the highest English wicket taker.

 

[Tejretics]

I’d go:

1. Jason Roy
2. Jonny Bairstow
3. Joe Root
4. Eoin Morgan (c)
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jos Buttler (wk)
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Adil Rashid
10. Darren Gough
11. Bob Willis

 

[reyrey]

Morgans World Cup record is abysmal. I'd prefer Collingwood especially if Stokes is the 5th bowler.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Morgans World Cup record is abysmal. I'd prefer Collingwood especially if Stokes is the 5th bowler.

Collingwood was a much better bowler than Stokes though.

 

[Silver Silva]

1.Johnny Bairstow
2.Marcus Trescothick
3.Joe Root
4.Ben Stokes
5.Jos Buttler (WK)
6.Paul Collingwood (C)
7.Andrew Flintoff
8.Graeme Swann
9.Darren Gough
10.Adil Rashid
11.Derek Underwood

Underwood didn't play a lot of ODI cricket but he would be a nightmare to score off in the middle overs

 

[Bitmap]

Bairstow
Trescothick
Root
Morgan*
Flintoff
Buttler+
Stokes
Archer
Swann
Gough
Willis

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Morgans World Cup record is abysmal. I'd prefer Collingwood especially if Stokes is the 5th bowler.

You have to remember that Morgan represented Ireland at the 2007 WC. For Ireland he scored 91 runs in 9 innings @10 , SR 50.84.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

1.Jonny Bairstow
2.Jason Roy
3.Joe Root
4.Eoin Morgan (C)
5.Ben Stokes
6.Jos Buttler (WK)
7.Andrew Flintoff
8.Graeme Swann
9.Adil Rashid
10.Darren Gough
11.Jofra Archer