All Right Kiwis, Hand On Heart: Fulton/Rutherford - Do You Believe?

[Kapil]

I've been saying since Fulton was unceremoniously dumped from the side he should be in there. I remember the 2006/07 Chappell Hadlee match at Hamilton (Matty Hayden 181*), and Peter Fulton was the forgotten hero of the match. He was superb.

And with Rutherford, I've been saying since well before he was ready he should be there. He made a double ton at Seddon Park a couple of seasons ago, and frankly, I've never seen an innings like it. You get people score 200's where they look scratchy for periods of 20-30 runs, or even longer in some cases, but Rutherford was fantastic. Dominated from start to finish.

And thank Christ bloody M.J. Guptill is gone. I may treasure the match ball from his 122* on ODI debut, but he hasn't done jack **** since that time.

 

[Flem274*]

the double hundred ftr

BEWARE THE INJURED BATSMAN - Hamish Rutherford double hundred.wmv - YouTube

 

[Mike5181]

Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.

 

[Kapil]

Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.

I had a good chat with Mark Richardson a while back (after the SA tour last season), and he agreed with all my statistical points, and said Guppy should piss off. And let's face it, with Neesham, Williamson, McCullum, McCullum, Taylor, Anderson, Munro and co all around the One Day team, fielding isn't a priority.

 

[Kapil]

the double hundred ftr

BEWARE THE INJURED BATSMAN - Hamish Rutherford double hundred.wmv - YouTube

Sorry Flem, my bad, I meant his twin-centuries at Seddon. Watched so many games I get them muddled.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Well you're a bowler and you're pretty good at catching hard red balls.

B+, you tried hard

 

[Kippax]

the double hundred ftr

BEWARE THE INJURED BATSMAN - Hamish Rutherford double hundred.wmv - YouTube

Yeah, we broke his arm and made him look scratchy for periods in that one.

Three of Rutherford's five tons have come against ND because he did some decent research on them before his comeback. ND, being the predictable creatures of habit they are, can't really fathom the idea of someone playing a cover drive ten times in a row and remaining at the crease.

 

[NZTailender]

Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



No.

 

[Mike5181]

Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



No.

Even if you wanted Guptill in the middle-order there's a pretty good case for both Ronchi and Broom to be ahead of him. Throw in Ryder in a year or so, and Guptill's some way down the list. That's not to say he wouldn't score more runs if he moved into the middle-order, he probably would.

 

[Mike5181]

I had a good chat with Mark Richardson a while back (after the SA tour last season), and he agreed with all my statistical points, and said Guppy should piss off. And let's face it, with Neesham, Williamson, McCullum, McCullum, Taylor, Anderson, Munro and co all around the One Day team, fielding isn't a priority.

Is Munro considered a good fielder? I actually thought Munro looked a bit uncoordinated in the field during his time in internationals. Admittedly I can't remember if he did much wrong. He was brilliant in the Ford Trophy final the other day though.

 

[Kapil]

Is Munro considered a good fielder? I actually thought Munro looked a bit uncoordinated in the field during his time in internationals. Admittedly I can't remember if he did much wrong. He was brilliant in the Ford Trophy final the other day though.

He's what one might term "at or above average". Which is all you really need in a side like that.

 

[Jezroy]

Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



No.

In Limited Overs cricket, probably. In T20's, yes. In tests, no.

 

[Jezroy]

Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.

And worryingly, that is enough to make him important in our limited overs teams.

 

[Bahnz]

And worryingly, that is enough to make him important in our limited overs teams.

He certainly looked head and shoulders above the rest of our opening options in the last series against England.

 

[Jezroy]

He certainly looked head and shoulders above the rest of our opening options in the last series against England.

This. Especially when he came back later on in Hamilton... You know, lower down the order

 

[jcas0167]

This. Especially when he came back later on in Hamilton... You know, lower down the order

It was the way he smoked it when he came back in that innings that made me think he could be like Astle in the middle order. I think the plan was in 2010 for him to develop his off-spin to better justify his move down the order, but that seems to have been shelved. Can't remember him bowling much in recent times.

re: Southee in the slips - I agree he looked pretty good there. Anderson & Botham spring to mind as pace bowlers who have been good slippers.

 

[Hurricane]

It was the way he smoked it when he came back in that innings that made me think he could be like Astle in the middle order. I think the plan was in 2010 for him to develop his off-spin to better justify his move down the order, but that seems to have been shelved. Can't remember him bowling much in recent times.

re: Southee in the slips - I agree he looked pretty good there. Anderson & Botham spring to mind as pace bowlers who have been good slippers.

did they/do they go to fine leg when they're bowling or slip?

 

[Jezroy]

did they/do they go to fine leg when they're bowling or slip?

Anderson was going to slip during the most recent NZ series.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It's okay for gullies and fourth slips but your first three really can't be full time bowlers if you want a trusting and consistent cordon.