All Formats Draft

[Howe_zat]

A lot of interesting ideas but I don't think I can shift away from what I said in the OP. Would be the kind of moving the goalposts that I've had a moan about before.

 

[Dan]

@watson

But we're not ranking teams from #1 to #13 in voting.

Let's assume in my mind I come out with a ranking of the following:

Tests: 1. Howe, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Pothas, 5. GI Joe
ODIs: 1. Pothas, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Howe, 5. GI Joe
T20s: 1. GI Joe, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Pothas, 5. Howe

Howe, Pothas and Joe each gain a vote despite only being good in one format. You're the second best in every format, and better meet the spirit of the draft, yet don't garner a single vote.

This draft was never about gunning it in one format and being **** in the other two. If it was, everyone would probably have simply drafted the best Test side possible. It was about picking a team that would simultaneously be good at all formats.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah that's exactly what I meant when I said specialist sides can sneak the win

 

[AldoRaine18]

I think one poll would be better.

 

[G.I.Joe]

List your top 5/10/14 Test teams
List your top 5/10/14 ODI teams
List your top 5/10/14 T20 teams

Go with the appropriate variation of the 3-2-1 points system and tally up the points. Done.

 

[watson]

@watson

But we're not ranking teams from #1 to #13 in voting.

Let's assume in my mind I come out with a ranking of the following:

Tests: 1. Howe, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Pothas, 5. GI Joe
ODIs: 1. Pothas, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Howe, 5. GI Joe
T20s: 1. GI Joe, 2. watson, 3. Cribb, 4. Pothas, 5. Howe

Howe, Pothas and Joe each gain a vote despite only being good in one format. You're the second best in every format, and better meet the spirit of the draft, yet don't garner a single vote.

This draft was never about gunning it in one format and being **** in the other two. If it was, everyone would probably have simply drafted the best Test side possible. It was about picking a team that would simultaneously be good at all formats.

Cleverly put Dan. But while Howe read his own OP carefully it appears that not all of us did. Here's what Howe wrote;

In brief:

Draft a squad of 12, then post up a line for the five-day, one-day and twenty-over side. Naming your franchise at some point is expected. A voting thread will ask people to vote for three sides, the one that's best in each format. The winner is whoever gets the most votes in total.

Therefore, people who created a team more specific to a particular format probably understood that paragraph better.

So no one can grumble. The goal of the Draft was there in black and white the whole time.

 

[NUFAN]

Rarely playing a hook shot in Tests is different to not being able to play one in ODIs. I windwr how Hammonds game will suit t20 but not odis. Goochs record was fine but I think hammond would have a superior record if he played out goochs career.

Also, dont agree about Shakibs natural position being 3. I havent looked at statz but feel as though with the quality touve assembled a classy bat should be at 3 (waugh, gower etc) and Shakib should be for the final overs. But mate, your call.

 

[watson]

Okay, I'll give this another try:



As in, an actual competition. Not a voting thing.

You'd then vote on who you think would win that competition. You'd have to vote on who you think would win four imaginary cricket competitions in total - a T20 comp, an ODI comp, a Test comp, and a competition where you played some of each (or in which results - not votes - from all the other competitions all counted if that makes more sense to you).

Thanks PEWs, now I understand what you are driving at. But anyhow, it appears that people have been drafting with different preconceived ideas without fully appeciating Howe's OP. Obviously, this sort of discussion should have place before we started to pick.

However, having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if a more generic team won the Draft as it's very possible that some teams will pick up votes across 2 formats and even sneak the odd vote in the third. Time will tell which was the best strategy - SPECIFIC or GENERIC.

 

[watson]

Rarely playing a hook shot in Tests is different to not being able to play one in ODIs. I windwr how Hammonds game will suit t20 but not odis. Goochs record was fine but I think hammond would have a superior record if he played out goochs career.

Also, dont agree about Shakibs natural position being 3. I havent looked at statz but feel as though with the quality touve assembled a classy bat should be at 3 (waugh, gower etc) and Shakib should be for the final overs. But mate, your call.

I put Shakib at No.3 because that's where he bats for Bangladesh in T20s most of the time. In ODIs he bats at No.5 and in Tests he bats at No.6. In Tests he averages a tad under 40 BTW. As far as possible, each of the 11 players are in their usual batting position according to real matches. If that makes sense.

But yes, No.3 still might not be the best position for Shakib. So I agree with you. Change made.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Thanks PEWs, now I understand what you are driving at. But anyhow, it appears that people have been drafting with different preconceived ideas without fully appeciating Howe's OP. Obviously, this sort of discussion should have place before we started to pick.

However, having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if a more generic team won the Draft as it's very possible that some teams will pick up votes across 2 formats and even sneak the odd vote in the third. Time will tell which was the best strategy - SPECIFIC or GENERIC.

I POINTED THAT OUT EARLIER WHEN PEOPLE WERE DRAFTING TEST PLODDERS AND PEOPLE GOT ALL BUTTHURT OVER IT. What did you guys think I meant when I pointed out that the Limited overs vote counted for double the Test vote????

 

[watson]

I POINTED THAT OUT EARLIER WHEN PEOPLE WERE DRAFTING TEST PLODDERS AND PEOPLE GOT ALL BUTTHURT OVER IT. What did you guys think I meant when I pointed out that the Limited overs vote counted for double the Test vote????

No one was butthurt. Least of all my butt which is fine ftr.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Ok time to post the finalised squads and fap over my teams

Test XI		ODI XI		T20 XI
Jack Hobbs		Sachin Tendulkar (7)		Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Herschelle Gibbs		Herschelle Gibbs		Herschelle Gibbs
Rohan Kanhai		Rohan Kanhai		Rohan Kanhai
Sachin Tendulkar (6)		Damien Martyn		Damien Martyn
Damien Martyn		Clive Rice* (3)		Clive Rice* (3)
Clive Rice* (3)		Chris Cairns (5)		Chris Cairns (5)
Les Ames+		Les Ames+		Les Ames+
Chris Cairns (4)		Baron Constantine (6)		Baron Constantine (6)
Shane Bond (1)		Shane Bond (1)		Shane Bond (1)
Clarrie Grimmett (5)		Clarrie Grimmett (4)		Clarrie Grimmett (4)
Waqar Younis (2)		Waqar Younis (2)		Waqar Younis (2)
Baron Constantine		Jack Hobbs		Jack Hobbs

Test side boasts two marquee batsmen in Hobbs and Tendulkar, another great in Kanhai, with Gibbs, Martyn and Rice all being very good players. Ames and Cairns give me an engine room to rely on, like all good teams . Bond and are Younis make for a lethal outright pace duo, and the inswing-outswing complements nicely with the new ball. Rice adds more legitimately quick swing bowling to the mix and so comes in at first change, before Cairns comes in as more of a seamer, utilising cutters, slower balls etc. Covered with the old ball as well, with two of the greatest reverse swing bowlers ever and a superb spin option who has the tools to do well on any surface.

Ten Dollar Carl gives me (arguably) the second greatest ODI batsmen ever and Gibbs adds destructive power, while being more reliable albiet slightly slower than the likes of Gilchrist. Kanhai's unproven in the shorter forms, but i can afford to let a player accumulate at number three, especially one with such an ability to play shots once set. Not much to say about Martyn, great average with a good strike rate at a key position. Rice's match winning exploits for Nottinghamshire are well known, and is someone equally adept at rebuilding a collapsing innings as finishing with brutal stroke play, Cairns and Constantine make up the rest of the trio of finishers in particular, Cairns in particular having the crucial skill of being able to hit anything for six once set.
Bond and Waqar have ODI strike rates of 29.2 and 30.5, almost no other quicks have consistently torn through batting line ups, plus both can deliver consistent yorkers at the death. Grimmett would have been a very fine spinner in ODI's, control, variations, changes in flight and pace will always merit success, plus Rice and Cairns are good bowlers in this format as well.

No really so much to talk about in the T20 side, don't think i drafted too well in this respect. Unless Gibbs goes mad, or my finishers take a bucketload of runs of the last few, this team is only ever going to make middling totals and then rely on the bowlers to rip through the opposition. Still, all my batsmen are capable of giving the ball a fair whack, and theirs enough flair in there that i still being my squad being competitive.

 

[NUFAN]

I put Shakib at No.3 because that's where he bats for Bangladesh in T20s most of the time. In ODIs he bats at No.5 and in Tests he bats at No.6. In Tests he averages a tad under 40 BTW. As far as possible, each of the 11 players are in their usual batting position according to real matches. If that makes sense.

But yes, No.3 still might not be the best position for Shakib. So I agree with you. Change made.

I used to open for Townview under 14s, if I make your next draft team will you bat me in my statistically best spot?

ONIY, Hobbs seems wasted but I actually really rate that ODI unit, especially the attscking nature of the bowling attack.

 

[watson]

I used to open for Townview under 14s, if I make your next draft team will you bat me in my statistically best spot?

ONIY, Hobbs seems wasted but I actually really rate that ODI unit, especially the attscking nature of the bowling attack.

With all due respect, Shakib is a bit better than your average Townview player. Although I'm sure they're talented in their own unique way.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

I used to open for Townview under 14s, if I make your next draft team will you bat me in my statistically best spot?

ONIY, Hobbs seems wasted but I actually really rate that ODI unit, especially the attacking nature of the bowling attack.

Will be looking forward to your vote come whatever time the powers above deem appropriate then

 

[Prince EWS]

Howe, permission for me to run a 'current players' version of this draft soon?

 

[Saint Kopite]

Howe, permission for me to run a 'current players' version of this draft soon?

Count me in when you start.

 

[AldoRaine18]

me too

 

[G.I.Joe]

Hoe, permission for me to run a 'current players' version of this draft soon?

Denied

 

[watson]

Will be looking forward to your vote come whatever time the powers above deem appropriate then

How needs to create 14 tables of 3 teams for the Voting Thread. Cutting and pasting 42 teams into those 14 tables would be a tedious job. So, another fortnight I reckon.