Akthar or Thomson?

[slowfinger]

Steyn hasnt been bowling 10 years yet, so when he has been bowling 10 years i wonder the state hell be in.

 

[archie mac]

I imagine the people who watched them both, will all go for Thommo

 

[archie mac]

Thomson was one of the original recruits for the first season of World Series Cricket. But part way through the 1977 Ashes Tour he withdrew due to other contractual obligations making it impossible for him to participate. The day after he pulled out he came out to bat in the Test Match and got a very generous round of applause from the crowd who mistakenly believed he'd pulled out for the good of cricket. He played in the official series against India and also went on the official tour of the West Indies. On that tour he bowled what is generally considered to be the fastest spell of his career against the full strength West Indies team who still had their Packer players in their side for the first part of the series.
He joined WSC at the earliest opportunity that his other obligations would allow.

Good stuff

When asked why he went back he said (have not looked it up so could be slightly out)

I want to play with my mates, and slips who can catch!

 

[Sir Alex]

I remember Shoiab's debut against India. Getting Dravide and Tendulkar in consecutive deliveries. The one to Tendulkar was absolute quality. Tendulkar at his peak with his gate in tatters was depressing froma fan pov but enthralling from fast bowling fan pov.

 

[mohammad16]

Doesn't have anything to do with the thread really but that's false.Akhtar has a poor record against India so he can't have troubled any Indian batsman much.Sehwag especially owned him.

How shoaib had better on Tendulkar in long run?
He averaged 42 against Pakistan in tests and 46 in ODI in match involving shoaib akhter.
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OR is it another lahori logic that Inzamam is a big match player and abdul kadir is better than warne

Akhtar's record against India isnt outstanding but neither is it poor, atleast not as poor as most if not all Indian seamers against Pakistan.

So? who cares what Tendulkar averaged against Pakistan

Sehwag and the likes have mostly dominated other Pakistani bowlers, he hardly ever got on top of Akhtar.

Can you do your little stats guru thing and tell me how many times Shoaib has dismissed Tendulkar and what his strike rate and economy is against him 1 on 1. INDIVIDUALLY please... dont bring the team into this.

Shoaib has given Tendulkar ENOUGH trouble and that too on DEAD tracks.

Tendulkar only ever got on top of Akhtar in the 03 world cup match.

 

[Sir Alex]

Sehwag and the likes have mostly dominated other Pakistani bowlers, he hardly ever got on top of Akhtar.

Tendulkar only ever got on top of Akhtar in the 03 world cup match.

1st Test: Pakistan v India at Multan, Mar 28-Apr 1, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

I do agree Shoiab indeed had his moments over Tendulkar. But to say Tendulkar never dominated Shoiab is just not true.

BTW to say Sehwag never got on top of Shoiab is a joke.Following is a tabulation of Sehwag against Akhtar in every test they played against each other. Sehwag's final innings score is under F.S

Test	 	Inn 	 Runs 	 Balls 	 SR 	F.S 	 Dismissals 
Multan 04	 1 	 62 	 77 	 81 	 309 	 -   
Lahore 04	 1 	 24 	 21 	 114 	 39 	 -   
Lahore 04	 2 	 38 	 50 	 76 	 90 	 1 
Rpindi 04	 1 	  0	  1 	 -   	 0	 1 
Lahore 06	 1 	 23 	 33 	 70 	 254 	 -   
Fsbad 06	 1 	 22 	 25 	 88 	 31 	 -   
Karachi 06	 1 	 4 	 3 	 133 	 5 	 1 
Karachi 06	 2 	 4 	 2 	 200 	 4 	 -   
Total		 	177 	 212 	 83 		 3 
Avg/wkt				 59

Strikes @ 83 against Shoiab alone and scores 60 off him every time dismissed by him.

FTR Sehwag averages 91.50 @ 85 in tests involving Shoiab.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Akhtar's record against India isnt outstanding but neither is it poor, atleast not as poor as most if not all Indian seamers against Pakistan.

So? who cares what Tendulkar averaged against Pakistan

Sehwag and the likes have mostly dominated other Pakistani bowlers, he hardly ever got on top of Akhtar.

Can you do your little stats guru thing and tell me how many times Shoaib has dismissed Tendulkar and what his strike rate and economy is against him 1 on 1. INDIVIDUALLY please... dont bring the team into this.

Shoaib has given Tendulkar ENOUGH trouble and that too on DEAD tracks.

Tendulkar only ever got on top of Akhtar in the 03 world cup match.

Akhtar got Sachin 3 times in 9 tests and 5 times in 19 ODIs. That is hardly owning. In ODIs Sachin easily got the better of Akthar. In tests it is more even but Akthar definitely did not get the better of Sachin.

 

[mohammad16]

You gotta watch the matches themselves. Akhtar gave tendulkar trouble on quite a few occasions and Tendulkar never really dominated him other than in 03 world cup match

 

[Smudge]

Definitely Shane Thomson for mine.

 

[mohammad16]

1st Test: Pakistan v India at Multan, Mar 28-Apr 1, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

I do agree Shoiab indeed had his moments over Tendulkar. But to say Tendulkar never dominated Shoiab is just not true.

BTW to say Sehwag never got on top of Shoiab is a joke.Following is a tabulation of Sehwag against Akhtar in every test they played against each other. Sehwag's final innings score is under F.S

Test	 	Inn 	 Runs 	 Balls 	 SR 	F.S 	 Dismissals 
Multan 04	 1 	 62 	 77 	 81 	 309 	 -   
Lahore 04	 1 	 24 	 21 	 114 	 39 	 -   
Lahore 04	 2 	 38 	 50 	 76 	 90 	 1 
Rpindi 04	 1 	  0	  1 	 -   	 0	 1 
Lahore 06	 1 	 23 	 33 	 70 	 254 	 -   
Fsbad 06	 1 	 22 	 25 	 88 	 31 	 -   
Karachi 06	 1 	 4 	 3 	 133 	 5 	 1 
Karachi 06	 2 	 4 	 2 	 200 	 4 	 -   
Total		 	177 	 212 	 83 		 3 
Avg/wkt				 59

Strikes @ 83 against Shoiab alone and scores 60 off him every time dismissed by him.

FTR Sehwag averages 91.50 @ 85 in tests involving Shoiab.

His overall strike rate is similar to 80, how is that dominating Akhtar over a given period of games. I mean show me more than one innings where he scored more than 30 off him??

theres just one, and that was the flattest track of multan where he got 300, he tortured other bowlers far more than akhtar.

anyways I am curious, whats the ODI head to head like?

 

[satyam]

You gotta watch the matches themselves. Akhtar gave tendulkar trouble on quite a few occasions and Tendulkar never really dominated him other than in 03 world cup match

I think you should watch the match sehwag and sachin have dominated akhtar many times.And why don't you understand Pakistan produces flat tracks to boast the average of Javed Miandad, Inzi, Yousuf and Younis khan. Check their batting average outside subcontinent. All of them are in 40-45 range.

 

[Sir Alex]

His overall strike rate is similar to 80, how is that dominating Akhtar over a given period of games. I mean show me more than one innings where he scored more than 30 off him??

theres just one, and that was the flattest track of multan where he got 300, he tortured other bowlers far more than akhtar.

anyways I am curious, whats the ODI head to head like?

Are you blind?

The table I quoted show 2 innings atleast where he scored more than 30 runs off him.

At Multan he scored 62 off 77 FFS.

And scoring at 80 is not dominating??? Amazing!

Can't be arsed to argue further with such a person anymore.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

You gotta watch the matches themselves. Akhtar gave tendulkar trouble on quite a few occasions and Tendulkar never really dominated him other than in 03 world cup match

I have watched most of the matches and that is what my opinion is based on.If I wanted to be pedantic,I could add that Akhtar had the luxury of bowling to him when Sachin was at the height of his tennis elbow woes blah blah blah.You clearly think that Akhtar owned Sachin.It is not something many will agree to but your opinion is your opinion.Not going to argue with someone so narrow minded.

 

[satyam]

His overall strike rate is similar to 80, how is that dominating Akhtar over a given period of games. I mean show me more than one innings where he scored more than 30 off him??

theres just one, and that was the flattest track of multan where he got 300, he tortured other bowlers far more than akhtar.

anyways I am curious, whats the ODI head to head like?

Then how did pakistan lose by an innings and 52 runs on flattest tracks of multan.I am repeating my statement again. All the pakistani batsman like INZI, YOUSUF, MIANDAD are flat track bullies. Check their record outside subcontinent.

 

[satyam]

If you are finding it hard, i am doing it for you. Sachin, laxman, dravid, Gavakar , Mohinder amarnath are all better than flat track bullies which Pakistan has consistently produced.

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[Richard]

Thommo didn't play WSC, or at least all of it, did he? Unless he got a special dispensation when I watched him bowl v India for Australia at the SCG in 1977.

This might well have been posted in the meantime but... he went there a season after the rest of them did.

 

[Richard]

I imagine the people who watched them both, will all go for Thommo

I doubt it. Though all the Australians who watched them both might well do - Shoaib is generally viewed with distaste in Australia.

 

[Xuhaib]

If you are finding it hard, i am doing it for you. Sachin, laxman, dravid, Gavakar , Mohinder amarnath are all better than flat track bullies which Pakistan has consistently produced.

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mate there are other things to discuss in cricket it seems your clock gets stuck on this point.

 

[satyam]

mate there are other things to discuss in cricket it seems your clock gets stuck on this point.

Mate, i know there are more things to discuss in cricket. But if someone would say that sehwag averages 91 against Pak without dominating shoaib, then this is a plain lie. And the OP wanted to make us believe that shoaib owned sachin and sachin could never dominate shoaib.

 

[archie mac]

I doubt it. Though all the Australians who watched them both might well do - Shoaib is generally viewed with distaste in Australia.

I can only speak for myself, but I thought him (Shoaib) a fine bowler, who bowled some of the best spells by a fast bowler I can remember