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Adam Gilchrist
- Thread starter Thelwell
- Start date
Slow Love™
International Captain
Funny faux pas from Richard at the end there. 
Although there is some truth in what he says...
However, as Bill Mahr likes to say, two things can be true at the same time. Yes, being dropped can detract from your innings, but what you do after that might more than make up for it. And there are many, many ways to grade an innings. Grafting out a chanceless 100 over four sessions on a fantastic batting track against Bangladesh wouldn't exactly tickle my loins.
So, if Gilchrist is dropped three times, but makes 200 in sensational fashion against competent opposition, it can still be a great innings. Everybody gets dropped at some stage, it's as unquestionably part of the game as copping a grubber and going out LBW, or getting a bad call from the umpire when you're on 5 (and in scintillating form). Laxman's had a sensational season out here, but has occasionally given opportunities (via dropped catches or missed runouts) during his innings - while in some people's eyes it might make his form less sensational (not me), it doesn't make it not sensational.
Although there is some truth in what he says...However, as Bill Mahr likes to say, two things can be true at the same time. Yes, being dropped can detract from your innings, but what you do after that might more than make up for it. And there are many, many ways to grade an innings. Grafting out a chanceless 100 over four sessions on a fantastic batting track against Bangladesh wouldn't exactly tickle my loins.
So, if Gilchrist is dropped three times, but makes 200 in sensational fashion against competent opposition, it can still be a great innings. Everybody gets dropped at some stage, it's as unquestionably part of the game as copping a grubber and going out LBW, or getting a bad call from the umpire when you're on 5 (and in scintillating form). Laxman's had a sensational season out here, but has occasionally given opportunities (via dropped catches or missed runouts) during his innings - while in some people's eyes it might make his form less sensational (not me), it doesn't make it not sensational.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Why does a dropped catch have to be just another variable? It is something that is not an "if". It is fact that but for something that happens far less than it doesn't, the innings would not have been terminated.
To score runs you have to not get out. I don't see how a batsman deserves credit for runs scored after he should have been out.
To score runs you have to not get out. I don't see how a batsman deserves credit for runs scored after he should have been out.
Ha, ha.
Because I never said it in the first place.
Take a look.
krkode
State Captain
He should have been out in ball one with a sparkling yorker if things go the bowling team's way. What should have happened is not for you to decide or judge. It either happens or it doesn't. After that, it doesn't matter.Richard said:
Of course, you will never be convinced, not that I'm trying to do that, either.. :rolleyes:
Ford_GTHO351
U19 Vice-Captain
Brad Haddin's stats:Thelwell said:
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 30/01/2001)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Bat/Field 1 1 0 13 13 13.00 118.18 0 0 0 1
O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling - - - - - - - - - -
FIRST-CLASS
(1999/00 - 2003/04; last updated 22/01/2004)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Bat/Field 46 81 8 2332 117 31.94 72.51 2 15 120 11
O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling - - - - - - - - - -
LIST A LIMITED OVERS
(1997/98 - 2003/04; last updated 23/01/2004)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 59 56 2 1479 133 27.38 2 10 83 23
O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling - - - - - - - - - -
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
This is the exacy point. Saying "he should have been out to a sparkling Yorker" is just a random "if". It is a fact that if someone hits the ball in the air to a fielder, misses the ball while out of his crease, misses a ball that hits the stumps, misses a ball that pitched inside leg-stump and was hit in line, he should be out. There is no disputing that; it's mostly in the laws of the game and there is an expectation of catches being taken, stumpings being effected and lbws being given correctly. That's why there is so much extensive coverage when something doesn't happen.krkode said:
A chance either happens or it doesn't; what happens after that, precisely, doesn't matter, because the batsman will normally be out. As far as bowling is concerned (what happens before the batsman plays his part) you can only play what is put in front of you, and you assess the skill taken to play that after it's happened, you don't try and detract from it.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
No, true, I don't think that just because someone has been picked we should be taking a "good enough until proven otherwise" approach, more the other way around.marc71178 said:
I don't rate Haddin as especially good because he doesn't have especially good records at Australian domestic level. Both OK, and probably someone who would challenge for a place in some international sides (a la Seccombe). Hence, I think he is a reasonable state-player. But not international class.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You are joking, right? Gilchrist has second most runs for the series just behind Laxman.Eclipse said: