Absolute disgrace

[silentstriker]

Yeah but that just backs up our point that it adds to the game and heightens competitiveness without being ridiculous like your sight screen analogy.

No, it proves my point that it's not really about fierce competitiveness showing through. It's just theatrics and just another strategy that's choreographed to give maximum advantage. Which is fine, and they should go for it if it gives them an advantage, but it's hardly "heightening competitiveness". Any number of things would give teams advantages if we allowed them (advantage doesn't equal 'heightened competitiveness'....but we don't allow most of those things because we think the game would be better without it. We just disagree where sledging fits into that scheme.



Anyway, I think I've explained my position enough times, feel free to have the last word...I certainly didn't mean for this to be a multiple page debate.

 

[benchmark00]

Ummm, isn't trying to gain an advantage the definition of competitiveness??

We'll just have to agree that you're a soft **** American and move on I guess.

 

[benchmark00]

PS. Free Tibet!

 

[silentstriker]

Would be epic in cricket.

Yes, so would messing with sightscreens. I bet a batsmen would feel so proud of his century if he did it despite the sightscreen giving him seizures. Oh, and defintiely last word: that video with Gambhir and Afridi (I realize you don't speak Hindi/Urdu) shows that it's hardly 'hey you almost edged one there good sir, try playing with a straighter bat next time'.

 

[benchmark00]

Why are all your analogies and comparisons so extreme and just plain ****? If you're really trying to say there's no difference between talking to the batsman and seizure inducing sight screens then I bid you adieu.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Love how the refs just stand there and let them go at it for a bit.

Ice hockey is the greatest haters can suck it

 

[silentstriker]

Love how the refs just stand there and let them go at it for a bit.

Ice hockey is the greatest haters can suck it

They referee the fights too tbh...they have to make sure it doesn't go on too long and the fight is fair. It's a legal part of the game, so...

 

[benchmark00]

They referee the fights too tbh...they have to make sure it doesn't go on too long and the fight is fair. It's a legal part of the game, so...

No it's not. Fighting is a 5 minute major penalty.

 

[silentstriker]

You are right, it's tradition I meant. But they do ref the fights.

Meaning, it's not automatic ejection as it would be in many other ice hockey leagues.

 

[silentstriker]

Why are all your analogies and comparisons so extreme and just plain ****? If you're really trying to say there's no difference between talking to the batsman and seizure inducing sight screens then I bid you adieu.

I didn't say there was no difference. It's an extreme example of course. I am simply disagreeing with this:

Ummm, isn't trying to gain an advantage the definition of competitiveness??

All advantages don't really heighten competitiveness. Some are just stupid, and we don't allow it because they are stupid. We'll just disagree on whether this is stupid or not.

 

[benchmark00]

I didn't say there was no difference. It's an extreme example of course. I am simply disagreeing with this:



All advantages don't really heighten competitiveness. Some are just stupid, and we don't allow it because they are stupid. We'll just disagree on whether this is stupid or not.

There's a difference between gaining an advantage through mental means and physical means though.

 

[benchmark00]

You are right, it's tradition I meant. But they do ref the fights.

Meaning, it's not automatic ejection as it would be in many other ice hockey leagues.

The don't referee the fight, they just wait until someone is knocked down or they have an opportunity to get involved without getting punched in the head.

 

[silentstriker]

There's a difference between gaining an advantage through mental means and physical means though.

Why?

And in any case, yelling racist abuse could give a mental edge, but I'm assuming you'd draw the line there (or maybe you wouldn't, but ICC does)? I just think the line should be somewhere else.

 

[benchmark00]

Why?

And in any case, yelling racist abuse could give a mental edge, but I'm assuming you'd draw the line there (or maybe you wouldn't, but ICC does)? I just think the line should be somewhere else.

Ofcourse I would, and ofcourse there's a line which has already been established.

You can't go up to a batsman and hurl "GO **** YOURSELF YOU ****ING ****" without contravening the rules, just as much as you can't racially abuse someone. So the line is there.

 

[silentstriker]

Ofcourse I would, and ofcourse there's a line which has already been established.

You can't go up to a batsman and hurl "GO **** YOURSELF YOU ****ING ****" without contravening the rules, just as much as you can't racially abuse someone. So the line is there.

You can't?

And yea, I disagree with where that line is now.

 

[benchmark00]

You can't?

And yea, I disagree with where that line is now.

So if it was in the rules, why was the umpire talking to them? Were they sighted by the match referee?

You can do anything, doesn't mean it's in the rules.

In baseball you can hit the first baseman with the bat, but it's still against the rules.

 

[Jono]

Lol, every single time this discussion comes up SS will post a video of a fight in ice hockey.

 

[honestbharani]

I can honestly say that in all my years of playing cricket I have never heard someone say something about my mother...

That's ridiculous, what you're talking about itsn't sledging as such. It's just insults. Sledging is talking about the game and trash talking about it.

Why you'd want to take away that mental side of the game is beyond me. It makes scoring a hundred so much sweeter when you've done it with the oposition throwing everything at you.

I'd say from my experience 99% of what gets called "sledging" is stuff about the game. In fact, a lot is talking to your teammates for the benefit of the oppo. Nuggets like "good areas", "like it" or "he's not picking you". It's basically harmless, just chatter to try to sow a seed of doubt.

If anyone said something like "Your mother sucks sailors for loose change" he'd just look a ****.

Might be worse at higher levels, I dunno.

The stuff about your mother is more likely to be found at the lower levels than anything. So you're exactly right.

Happened at school level.. But to the credit of the ofrficials, they didn't go at me as much as they went at him.. I slapped him and the leg umpire heard the whole thing from nearby and they got the guy DQ'd from the rest of the tournament.