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AB de Villers vs Michael Bevan vs Sachin Tendulkar

Migara

Migara

International Coach
McGrath is the best, then Wasim, Garner and Pollock amongst fast bowlers.
Among spinners Murali, Saqlain and then day light.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Migara said:
McGrath is the best, then Wasim, Garner and Pollock amongst fast bowlers.
Among spinners Murali, Saqlain and then day light.
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Murali was a wicket-taking machine but I cant seem to recall any big match performance from him in a long career. Hence my hesitation to put him in the spot.

Saqlain was magic but, as much as I am a fan of his, I believe he benefited from a period of the late 90s when batsmen simply hadn't adjusted to the doosra which almost became close to a stock ball of his in ODIs, so I am not sure he would be as successful had he played a decade later.

I think Warne should be in the conversation. Not the prettiest stats but three clutch World Cup knockout performances will always give him a case. Watching him in ODIs, I didn't feel he would run through a side but would take the most important wickets at the key moments.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Murali was a wicket-taking machine but I cant seem to recall any big match performance from him in a long career. Hence my hesitation to put him in the spot.

Saqlain was magic but, as much as I am a fan of his, I believe he benefited from a period of the late 90s when batsmen simply hadn't adjusted to the doosra which almost became close to a stock ball of his in ODIs, so I am not sure he would be as successful had he played a decade later.

I think Warne should be in the conversation. Not the prettiest stats but three clutch World Cup knockout performances will always give him a case. Watching him in ODIs, I didn't feel he would run through a side but would take the most important wickets at the key moments.
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You mean big match performances are the ones against sorry sides who cannot play spin?

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That graphs tell the whole story. Murali has 800+ points in a chunk of matches as half as Warne's career. Saqlain for about 60 matches before he did his knees was absolute magic. The important thing was, they did it against India too.
 
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_00_deathscar

International Regular
subshakerz said:
Not the prettiest stats but three clutch World Cup knockout performances will always give him a case.
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I know they 'turned up at the right time' but I'm not sure how much importance I place for 'clutch singular performances' for the Aussies (ever since they got good) who had the benefit of not really needing to turn up half the time (as someone else would pick up the slack). Any other team and them not turning up almost every match is the team being knocked out.
 
sunilz

sunilz

International Regular
_00_deathscar said:
I know they 'turned up at the right time' but I'm not sure how much importance I place for 'clutch singular performances' for the Aussies (ever since they got good) who had the benefit of not really needing to turn up half the time (as someone else would pick up the slack). Any other team and them not turning up almost every match is the team being knocked out.
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Aus would have lost both 1996 and 99 WC SF if not for Warne.
 
TheJediBrah

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_00_deathscar said:
I know they 'turned up at the right time' but I'm not sure how much importance I place for 'clutch singular performances' for the Aussies (ever since they got good) who had the benefit of not really needing to turn up half the time (as someone else would pick up the slack). Any other team and them not turning up almost every match is the team being knocked out.
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Not a fan of this logic at all. They were such a good team because they generally all did "turn up" all the time. It's a misconception to think that being in a good team means you don't have to try as hard. If even a few of the players thought that way then they wouldn't be as good a team, that's what differentiated them.
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

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TheJediBrah said:
Not a fan of this logic at all. They were such a good team because they generally all did "turn up" all the time. It's a misconception to think that being in a good team means you don't have to try as hard. If even a few of the players thought that way then they wouldn't be as good a team, that's what differentiated them.
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Its easier to get better stats if you are playing in a great team. Ponting, McGrath, Marshall.. All benefitted from that.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
If clutch singular performances in WC finals and semis are the benchmark, the God will be Aravinda de Silva.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Pap Finn Keighl said:
Its easier to get better stats if you are playing in a great team. Ponting, McGrath, Marshall.. All benefitted from that.
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Don't think it is a factor when you7 compare Murali, Warne and Saqlain. All three played at least part of their careers in ATG teams.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Migara said:
If clutch singular performances in WC finals and semis are the benchmark, the God will be Aravinda de Silva.
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They are a benchmark, along with overall stats, etc. Because of the surfeit of meaningless ODIs that became more common post 2000, I prefer players who have delivered in the highest pressure matches as well. World Cup, ICC trophies, and knockout matches are higher stake games.
 
TheJediBrah

TheJediBrah

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subshakerz said:
They are a benchmark, along with overall stats, etc. Because of the surfeit of meaningless ODIs that became more common post 2000, I prefer players who have delivered in the highest pressure matches as well. World Cup, ICC trophies, and knockout matches are higher stake games.
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ODIs post ~2005 became a joke. Outside of world cups you rarely see full strength sides.
 
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