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[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by Top_Cat

Well....if you know how to toy with trojans...IP's can be devastating.

If you know how to toy with trojans, you'd find getting someone's IP a breeze anyway. Every site you visit leaves a footprint which makes you easily trackable. And I've been to public message boards who post the IP's of their members because they realise that to publish or not is moot.

Anyway, people on dial-up use a different IP address every time they log-in and people on broadband connections should learn to protect themselves with firewall software of some sort (as a minimum) because IP's published or not, they're easy to get hold of anyway.

Your IP doesn't actually reveal anything of your personal details so if you protect yourself, you shouldn't have any troubles.

You being an admin does not in any way give you the right to abuse your power by looking up logs on the webserver and publishing IP addresses at will.

Who needs weblogs? I'm looking at Neil's right now and I just ran a script. All it tells me is his address on a server. I can only do damage if he hasn't protected himself and as I said, regardless of whether they're published, it's easy to get hold of them.

Last I checked, it wasn't illegal to obtain someone's IP address by port scanning their POP, IMAP4, FTP etc. ports. It's akin to someone looking in your windows whilst you're at home out on the street. Sure it's annoying and suspicious but they're doing nothing illegal. If it were illegal to do port scans to obtain IP's, then it'll be illegal for ANYONE to create weblogs of peoples'IP's. Whether Cricketweb does it or someone personally does it doesn't matter; it's not illegal.

Having said all that, if people insist that we don't publish member's IP's then we can just not do it. Fine with me.

Oh yes, I can find out a lot about you from your IP address.Like what is your Internet Service provider or if you are posting the message from work, I can find out where you work.If its a service provider, I can find out where you live and on top of it if its a static IP, I can try getting into your computer.Yes, finding the IP address is pretty easy but there is a clear difference between dishing it out publicly and someone finding it out through other means.

Yes its not illegal, but a host of things aren't illegal in the web which are surely unethical.And that's the fundamental point.

 

[marc71178]

However, even if we were talking about tests, a person like Sehwag could definitely go for it, so too could the other youngsters.

No he couldn't because he wouldn't get past McGrath, Lee and Gillespie.

What other youngsters?

 

[royGilchrist]

but there is a clear difference between dishing it out publicly and someone finding it out through other means.

I agree with this too. Please guys dont 'publish' the IP address again. I am sure Neil did not do it on purpose, just an oversight.

What about my other question, according to the rules here, is it okay to post with two different nicknames?

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by marc71178

However, even if we were talking about tests, a person like Sehwag could definitely go for it, so too could the other youngsters.

No he couldn't because he wouldn't get past McGrath, Lee and Gillespie.

What other youngsters?

Oh yeah? Based on what are you making the assumption that McGrath, Lee or Gillespie will gobble him up each time before he gets to Warne? That's a ridiculous statement to say the least.

Other youngsters? Yuvraj for one... I already named him in a previous post. Fact is, any Indian batsman from 1 to 6 in tests or 1 to 7 in one dayers could do it. In fact, Harb or Khan in one of their belligerent moods are capable of smashing Warne around.

 

[marc71178]

No he couldn't because he wouldn't get past McGrath, Lee and Gillespie.

What other youngsters?

Oh yeah? Based on what are you making the assumption that McGrath, Lee or Gillespie will gobble him up each time before he gets to Warne? That's a ridiculous statement to say the least.
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The way he approaches batting he'll be out cheaply against the Aussies more often than not.

 

[marc71178]

Other youngsters? Yuvraj for one... I already named him in a previous post. Fact is, any Indian batsman from 1 to 6 in tests or 1 to 7 in one dayers could do it. In fact, Harb or Khan in one of their belligerent moods are capable of smashing Warne around.

No other youngsters in the Indian Test Team are there - that is my point.

They are capable of it, but I don't expect them to try it, that is the crux of the argument as I see it.

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by marc71178

Other youngsters? Yuvraj for one... I already named him in a previous post. Fact is, any Indian batsman from 1 to 6 in tests or 1 to 7 in one dayers could do it. In fact, Harb or Khan in one of their belligerent moods are capable of smashing Warne around.

No other youngsters in the Indian Test Team are there - that is my point.

They are capable of it, but I don't expect them to try it, that is the crux of the argument as I see it.

Ok buddy, so what you are saying essentially is:

1. You are insisting on sticking to tests for your argument(I have no clue why, maybe you think they don't play one dayers at the MCG!).

2. In tests, Sehwag will never get to play Warne because the pacers will always eat him up before Warne comes into the attack(based on what? sorry I am repeating my question, probably you just don't know the answer, you just feel it!!!).

3. The other Indians are all capable of it, but except for Ganguly will never ever go for it (because of various reasons like sixphobia, warnephobia, mental disintegration, the intimidating size of the MCG..... and Ganguly will not be affected by any of this because....I have no clue, you know, totally beyond me!).

4. Even by Dec 2003, no other youngster will be able to force his way into the Indian test side(wow!, you have already selected the Indian test team for the next Aus tour!).

...and the above is the crux of your argument!! That's hilarious.

[Edited on 10/17/2002 by anilramavarma]

 

[Neil Pickup]

Originally posted by aussie_beater
Yes its not illegal, but a host of things aren't illegal in the web which are surely unethical.And that's the fundamental point.

This is the point at which I make a complete and unreserved apology for being a complete and total imbecile and not engaging brain before using keyboard. There's no point in making any excuses - I was totally wrong.

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by Neil Pickup
This is the point at which I make a complete and unreserved apology for being a complete and total imbecile and not engaging brain before using keyboard. There's no point in making any excuses - I was totally wrong.

No sweat mate.....it happens to all of us at times.

 

[marc71178]

Ok buddy, so what you are saying essentially is:

Why not read what I put not what you want me to have put.

 

[marc71178]

1. You are insisting on sticking to tests for your argument(I have no clue why, maybe you think they don't play one dayers at the MCG!).

Tests are the only true form of Cricket, and batsman do not take as many risks in them - I've taken this line all through the discussion, and at no point to I want to discuss ODI's as they're more luck than skill when the top teams play.

2. In tests, Sehwag will never get to play Warne because the pacers will always eat him up before Warne comes into the attack(based on what? sorry I am repeating my question, probably you just don't know the answer, you just feel it!!!).

Where did I say that. I said he'll get out cheaply more often than not - that is not me saying he'll always be eaten up by the pacers. His style is to go for his shots - it may work against England, but the Aussie bowlers are a class apart, and will be rubbing their hands at the porspect of bowling to someone like him as he gives them a chance.

3. The other Indians are all capable of it, but except for Ganguly will never ever go for it (because of various reasons like sixphobia, warnephobia, mental disintegration, the intimidating size of the MCG..... and Ganguly will not be affected by any of this because....I have no clue, you know, totally beyond me!).

Ganguly is left handed, making the playing of Warne a lot easier for him - none of the others are left handed, and as I keep stating are less likely to go for it against him.

4. Even by Dec 2003, no other youngster will be able to force his way into the Indian test side(wow!, you have already selected the Indian test team for the next Aus tour!).

Consistency in selection is the key here - India appear to have a settled top 6 sorted out now - I could see them being together for a good period yet.

...and the above is the crux of your argument!! That's hilarious.

Well no, actually, you completely twist my post and then decide I said what you wanted me to have said. As I said, they may be capable of going for Warne, but for reasons I've stated, I don't think they will. Barring possibly number 3, none of those points you made bore any resemblance to what my argument is.

 

[Anil]

Tests are the only true form of Cricket, and batsman do not take as many risks in them - I've taken this line all through the discussion, and at no point to I want to discuss ODI's as they're more luck than skill when the top teams play.

I also consider tests as the true form of cricket, but that is not what is the issue here. The earlier short argument which I had with age_master didn't have anything to do with tests or one dayers. How many times do I have to say that? You then came into the discussion and posted that only Ganguly will do that and when I asked why, you said you meant tests. I didn't in the first place, so your initial reply itself was flawed. If you want to confirm, go back and check what has transpired.

Where did I say that. I said he'll get out cheaply more often than not - that is not me saying he'll always be eaten up by the pacers. His style is to go for his shots - it may work against England, but the Aussie bowlers are a class apart, and will be rubbing their hands at the porspect of bowling to someone like him as he gives them a chance.

Really, then what does your quote below mean?

No he couldn't because he wouldn't get past McGrath, Lee and Gillespie.

You categorically denied that Sehwag will get to face Warne and that is a stupid statement at best, whether you are talking about tests or one dayers. I know that the Aussie pace bowlers are much classier than England's, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Sehwag will always fail against them.

Ganguly is left handed, making the playing of Warne a lot easier for him - none of the others are left handed, and as I keep stating are less likely to go for it against him.

...and I keep stating that right handed Indian batsmen like Sidhu, Sachin, Azhar have attacked him successfully nevertheless. I also indicated a way they can slog Warne playing with the spin. Go back and read my earlier post.

Consistency in selection is the key here - India appear to have a settled top 6 sorted out now - I could see them being together for a good period yet.

Possible, but we are talking about a series over a year from now. Yuvraj, Kaif & Mongia have been knocking at the test doors for some time now. If someone in the middle order goes through a trough, he could be replaced by any of these folks.

Well no, actually, you completely twist my post and then decide I said what you wanted me to have said. As I said, they may be capable of going for Warne, but for reasons I've stated, I don't think they will. Barring possibly number 3, none of those points you made bore any resemblance to what my argument is.

I think I just proved that I haven't twisted your post. Some of my arguments were against derivations which I made from yours, but they are not far-fetched when you consider what you want to prove.

 

[marc71178]

How many times do I have to say that? You then came into the discussion and posted that only Ganguly will do that and when I asked why, you said you meant tests.

I shpuld have clarified that I was talking about Tests from the start and I apologise for not making that clear, but as we were talking about the next series between India and Aus, I assumed it meant Tests as there will more than likely not be a series directly between Ind and Aus in ODIs.

 

[marc71178]

Really, then what does your quote below mean?

No he couldn't because he wouldn't get past McGrath, Lee and Gillespie.

You categorically denied that Sehwag will get to face Warne and that is a stupid statement at best

That post was meant to be taken with a pinch of salt - whenever I post a one liner in here it tends to be more of a jokey comment then a serious one.

 

[marc71178]

...and I keep stating that right handed Indian batsmen like Sidhu, Sachin, Azhar have attacked him successfully nevertheless. I also indicated a way they can slog Warne playing with the spin. Go back and read my earlier post.

If you are talking about hitting through the off side, then yes they could hit him there, but is anyone going to have the power to hit him into or over the stand through the off side?

 

[marc71178]

Consistency in selection is the key here - India appear to have a settled top 6 sorted out now - I could see them being together for a good period yet.

Possible, but we are talking about a series over a year from now. Yuvraj, Kaif & Mongia have been knocking at the test doors for some time now. If someone in the middle order goes through a trough, he could be replaced by any of these folks.

Only one of the middle order is in any danger, VVS - unless you're going to tell me they're going to drop one of Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly!

 

[Andre]

Ok. Now that Neil has apologised, we will here no more of the I.P. incident, it will be left behind. Lets get back to the cricket .

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by marc71178

How many times do I have to say that? You then came into the discussion and posted that only Ganguly will do that and when I asked why, you said you meant tests.

I shpuld have clarified that I was talking about Tests from the start and I apologise for not making that clear, but as we were talking about the next series between India and Aus, I assumed it meant Tests as there will more than likely not be a series directly between Ind and Aus in ODIs.

What??? Whether there is a 3rd team involved or not, India will still face Aus in one dayers, won't they? I am just talking about a cricket match here, tests or one dayers. It's not about which team beats which, it's about whether the Indian batsmen will get to tonk Warne, whether they are capable of it. The answer is yes, to both.

 

[marc71178]

It's not about which team beats which, it's about whether the Indian batsmen will get to tonk Warne, whether they are capable of it. The answer is yes, to both.

But you were talking about a SERIES, and the one day will not be that. That is why I concentrated on Tests.

There's also the point that in ODI's, the idea is to take risks and score quickly - so they will go after him in that.

As for the bit I've quoted - I never disagreed with either of those points, what I said was that I don't think they would attempt it.

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by marc71178

It's not about which team beats which, it's about whether the Indian batsmen will get to tonk Warne, whether they are capable of it. The answer is yes, to both.

But you were talking about a SERIES, and the one day will not be that. That is why I concentrated on Tests.

There's also the point that in ODI's, the idea is to take risks and score quickly - so they will go after him in that.

As for the bit I've quoted - I never disagreed with either of those points, what I said was that I don't think they would attempt it.

Come on....before this gets ridiculous! When you entered the discussion, you were replying to my statement that if Harb gets hit onto the roof of the MCG, so will Warne. Of course the occasion would have been the next Indian visit to Aus, but there was no talk of a series or anything like that. Maybe there was, in subsequent posts, but not to start with.

In any case, you came into the discussion apparently misunderstanding what was going on and despite repeated attempts by me to make you understand what was going on, you are just quibbling with words to hang on to what is basically a very silly and prejudiced point of view.

Just because the English batsmen get the jitters when they even think of Warne doesn't mean that the Indians will do the same(Some of them might have the jitters against McGrath or Gillespie, but definitely not Warne).

For the last time, whether it is tests or one dayers, there is a very good chance that the Indians will go after Warne because he is the only bowler in that side that they can truly dominate. Whether it is a six onto the roof or into the crowd or just outside the boundary is not the real issue, neither is whether it is at the MCG or the SCG or the WACA or.... Again for the last time, what age_master meant by that statement was that Harb will get the treatment from the Aussie batsmen down under. Warne has atleast an equal chance of enduring the same. Your talk of left handed and right handed batsmen, whether you can hit onto the roof of a stadium from the offside are just words, with little or no value in what was being discussed.