4th Test at the Gabba, Brisbane, 15 - 19 Jan 2021

[Shady Slim]

just to give my ten cents that nobody really asked for, @Spark put it so well that yeah, while there is truth to the idea that there may be genetic factors there at play (eg ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fibres as mentioned by TJB), black sportspeople are all too often pigeonholed into being Athletic Freaks and Biomechanical Marvels, compared to the whitey who plays sports with Smarts and Craftiness. you just have to look at aaron rodgers in the nfl and compare him to darren sproles to see why that isn't true. it's a very lazy, rudimentary, racist analysis, and there's a tendency to assume athleticism and intelligence are mutually exclusive especially when it comes to analysis of black sportspeople.

and while that's problematic enough you get a lot of pundits who go in to weird "i would have voted for obama a third time if i could" territory when they're talking about black sportspeople, which is what hodgey was doing on the bbl comms. but it's quite a widely held and accepted presumption that needs to be busted, because as it was pointed out by spark the theory itself has been on multiple occasions.

 

[cnerd123]

lol @ Shaw trying to hit the stumps but hitting Rohit with the ball instead.

Been a disaster of a tour for him

Need a wicket early this session to stay in contention.

 

[TheJediBrah]

lol @ Shaw trying to hit the stumps but hitting Rohit with the ball instead.

Been a disaster of a tour for him

Need a wicket early this session to stay in contention.

tbf to Shaw it's not easy to miss a target like Rohit

 

[harsh.ag]

just to give my ten cents that nobody really asked for, @Spark put it so well that yeah, while there is truth to the idea that there may be genetic factors there at play (eg ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fibres as mentioned by TJB), black sportspeople are all too often pigeonholed into being Athletic Freaks and Biomechanical Marvels, compared to the whitey who plays sports with Smarts and Craftiness. you just have to look at aaron rodgers in the nfl and compare him to darren sproles to see why that isn't true. it's a very lazy, rudimentary, racist analysis, and there's a tendency to assume athleticism and intelligence are mutually exclusive especially when it comes to analysis of black sportspeople.

and while that's problematic enough you get a lot of pundits who go in to weird "i would have voted for obama a third time if i could" territory when they're talking about black sportspeople, which is what hodgey was doing on the bbl comms. but it's quite a widely held and accepted presumption that needs to be busted, because as it was pointed out by spark the theory itself has been on multiple occasions.

Is this actually the theory put forth by anyone involved though?

 

[honestbharani]

Is there a way to remove a like from my post

You didn't see that coming, did you?

Shardul is pretty much AA reincarnate. Our only hope is that somehow his good balls get us the wickets. Nattu has bowled well and created a couple of chances. Saini looked like the most effective one and of course, that means he is injured and off for good now. Maybe he can bowl in the second innings with some pain killers or something and some management of the injury.

I dont think all hope is lost yet though. This team has made a habit of coming back out of dire situations. Won't be surprised if we do it again next session.

 

[Aritro]

and while that's problematic enough you get a lot of pundits who go in to weird "i would have voted for obama a third time if i could" territory when they're talking about black sportspeople, which is what hodgey was doing on the bbl comms. but it's quite a widely held and accepted presumption that needs to be busted, because as it was pointed out by spark the theory itself has been on multiple occasions.

Not least because American presidents only get two terms, unless they're FDR, and I wish more commentators would remember that when talking about right handed batsmen from Grenada

 

[Spark]

Is this actually the theory put forth by anyone involved though?

In aggregate it definitely comes out, in the nature of what's emphasised and what isn't. It's more a trope of lazy sports pundits who fall back on easy stereotypes rather than thinking and analysing for themselves, i.e. most sports pundits.

 

[Spark]

You didn't see that coming, did you?

Shardul is pretty much AA reincarnate. Our only hope is that somehow his good balls get us the wickets. Nattu has bowled well and created a couple of chances. Saini looked like the most effective one and of course, that means he is injured and off for good now. Maybe he can bowl in the second innings with some pain killers or something and some management of the injury.

I dont think all hope is lost yet though. This team has made a habit of coming back out of dire situations. Won't be surprised if we do it again next session.

Thought Siraj has been good throughout tbh. Don't know why he isn't bowling now.

 

[aussie tragic]

Lol when India lose WTC points for slow over rate, they already needed 4-0 vs England to get in final, this will eliminate them

 

[Aritro]

Is this actually the theory put forth by anyone involved though?

Spark did. He even put it in quotations, to make it seem like he was citing serious research. Lucky to stay on the forum IMO

 

[Spark]

Spark did. He even put it in quotations, to make it seem like he was citing serious research. Lucky to stay on the forum IMO

piss off with this, honestly.

 

[Starfighter]

I see Thakur's economy is now closer to what everyone was expecting.

 

[Shri]

10 years ago, if we had all these injuries, we'd have been looking at aus scoring 350-400 on day 1 here

we might still get embarrassed here but it won't be traumatic

 

[Aritro]

piss off with this, honestly.

Hahaha, for ****'s sake.

 

[harsh.ag]

In aggregate it definitely comes out, in the nature of what's emphasised and what isn't. It's more a trope of lazy sports pundits who fall back on easy stereotypes rather than thinking and analysing for themselves, i.e. most sports pundits.

Isn't it basically about comparative advantage?

A is amazing at X and good at Y
B is good at X and good at Y

Everyone does better if A focuses on X and B on Y, even though A and B may be near equal at Y.

 

[honestbharani]

Lol when India lose WTC points for slow over rate, they already needed 4-0 vs England to get in final, this will eliminate them

And when we make it to WTC finals in June, AT will finally understand reality ?

 

[Spark]

Isn't it basically about comparative advantage?

A is amazing at X and good at Y
B is good at X and good at Y

Everyone does better if A focuses on X and B on Y, even though A and B may be near equal at Y.

Not when everyone ignores Y and only focusses on X, especially when Y actually applies much more than X. Prefabricated thinking is never a good idea.

 

[Shri]

saini should come back in to field, fall on his face on purpose and we should get kuldeep on as a concussion sub

 

[Starfighter]

I tell you what, if there's a situation for Green to make his first really impactful contribution, it's here.

 

[cnerd123]

In aggregate it definitely comes out, in the nature of what's emphasised and what isn't. It's more a trope of lazy sports pundits who fall back on easy stereotypes rather than thinking and analysing for themselves, i.e. most sports pundits.

the weird thing about bringing genetics into a conversation at elite sports is that basically everyone playing has freak genetics, regardless of race. If not they wouldn't be a professional sportsman.