4th Test at the Gabba, Brisbane, 15 - 19 Jan 2021

[harsh.ag]

This is great, but what really brought it into focus was Pant's keeping on day 1 being so bad. I'm sure it was mostly a coincidence but even the most parochial of Indian fans should be able to see the questionable nature of him being replaced by a much better keeper because he was "too injured", but then coming out to bat and batting perfectly well. Regardless of whether it was within the rules.

Even the most parochial of Australian fans should be able to find a modicum of decency and not assume the injury was faked, but that's supposedly too much to ask for. "too injured" ffs, such a cuntish thing to say without any evidence.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Yeh good argument. He could suddenly bat more fluently than anyone in the match in spite of not being able to keep an innings prior.

Don’t need to be in the dressing room to know that’s a crock of **** mate.

Its you who knows nothing and hypothesised weird ass arguments with no an iota of proof other than the - But He looked fine on TV one.

Lol, mate. See whatever floats your boat to cope.

 

[Burgey]

I think there are already laws about where you can bat depending on how much time is spent off the field. Same with how long you have to wait before you can bowl. I will assume those were followed in letting Pant come out at 5. Haven't read anything to suggest otherwise.

I think something was said in the match thread about him being able to bat wherever owing to it being an external injury or something? Not sure. Anyway, I think it's something worth looking into. It's a pretty rare occurrence where a keeper is subbed so it's not going to be something which really comes up all that often

 

[harsh.ag]

Don’t be lame. Discuss the issue.

You're being ungracious and lame. There's no other issue. If you don't like the rule, that's fine. Stop saying the injury was faked like an utter shite.

 

[Shri]

If Bumrah rocks up at 50% we absolutely need 5 bowlers.

Agarwal in doubt too now. Still no official news on whether Vihari and Ashwin are ruled out too. So that's 4 players under an injury cloud.

At this point it's easier just listing out who is fit lol. Rohit/Gill/Shaw/Rahane/Pujara are the fit batters, Siraj/Saini/Thakur/Natranjan/Kuldeep the fit bowlers, and both Pant and Saha should be good to play.

fit players atm

rohit
gill
pujara
saha
kuldeep
siraj
saini

unsure:
pant
ashwin
agarwal

fit but should have been put on a flight home after the first test:

shaw

shaw shouldn't play. we should play with ten players if it comes down to it

 

[Red]

This is the kind of thinking that results in injuries worsening as teams have an incentive to stretch the injured player. We should all be moving past this and it is fine if the same rules are applicable to all so that, in the long run, things even out.

So why can’t you replace an injured bowler mid match? It’s literally exactly the same thing.

 

[Dan]

Can think of a massive difference between being fit to swing a bat and being fit to throw yourself full length to land your entire body weight on it re elbow injuries tbh.

Look even if this is 'ripe for abuse' it's on the whole an incredibly niche situation that the difference between the selected wicketkeeper and replacement wicketkeeper is so stark on both the batting and wicketkeeping fronts. Like, if it's a home team they're calling someone out of the state seconds to take the gloves, or if it was England touring they'd probably have Bairstow subbing in with the gloves and Buttler batting.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Even the most parochial of Australian fans should be able to find a modicum of decency and not assume the injury was faked, but that's supposedly too much to ask for. "too injured" ffs, such a ****ish thing to say without any evidence.

If you're referring to me I never for an instant thought that the injury was faked

 

[Senile Sentry]

sure, but as I keep saying, if he can endure whatever pain batting as he did, he can also endure it keeping.

it’s called “test” cricket for a reason

Wow. Just wow.

I guess, you are also among those who think Concussion subs are a fad and men should just man up and bat on ?

 

[Dan]

And making Hanuma Vihari take the gloves or something results in objectively worse cricket anyway, so from a spectator POV who cares (nobody wants to watch endless byes from a useless part-time gloveman)?

 

[Red]

You're being ungracious and lame. There's no other issue. If you don't like the rule, that's fine. Stop saying the injury was faked like an utter ****e.

Mate, if you have an injury that is bad enough to stop you keeping you can’t bat like he did.

can you not understand that? Lol

 

[ankitj]

What's the weather forecast?

 

[cnerd123]

I’m not saying it was necessarily faked, but it looks pretty suss when you can’t keep (a very pivotal role in cricket) but nek minnit you can bat completely fluently.

what you should be saying is that isn't it remarkable that Pant could cop such a painful blow but still walk out to bat in the 4th innings with a match on the line, pumped with panikillers, and pull off a remarkable innings like that. You should be praising his resilience, not deriding him or accusing the Indian setup for gaming the system because he didn't come out to keep right after getting scanned.

I think something was said in the match thread about him being able to bat wherever owing to it being an external injury or something? Not sure. Anyway, I think it's something worth looking into. It's a pretty rare occurrence where a keeper is subbed so it's not going to be something which really comes up all that often

Yea, perhaps there is something there about external blows being treated differently. I think it's fine really. We don't want to force injured players to stretch themselves beyond their capacity. The more we move towards protecting the health and safety of the players, the better.

 

[harsh.ag]

So why can’t you replace an injured bowler mid match? It’s literally exactly the same thing.

I don't care. The rule could be something I agree or disagree with. But I wouldn't accuse any player of faking an injury to misuse the rule like you are.

 

[Burgey]

and you saying you agree with what he said.

I didn't say I agreed with what he said, I said it's not unreasonable for people who don't want subs to use it as an example. Like I said, the rule is fine afaic, but could do with a bit of tampering around when/ what number a player in that situation, be it a keeper or a fieldsman, can bat.

Man, I remember the 80s when Gordon Greenidge used to regularly not field with a hammy injury then come out and blaze a quick fire 80 odd in the second dig when the Windies batted.

Cheating Windies.

 

[Shri]

Mate, if you have an injury that is bad enough to stop you keeping you can’t bat like he did.

can you not understand that? Lol

read dan's posts

 

[cnerd123]

And making Hanuma Vihari take the gloves or something results in objectively worse cricket anyway, so from a spectator POV who cares (nobody wants to watch endless byes from a useless part-time gloveman)?

not to mention forcing a non-specialist to keep when the keeper is injured just opens the door to more injuries anyways. imagine keeping to 140kmph bowling when you don't know what you're doing. You're going to get a broken finger or two.

 

[Red]

Wow. Just wow.

I guess, you are also among those who think Concussion subs are a fad and men should just man up and bat on ?

Not at all. Concussion is a completely different thing and it should be treated the way it is. Nice straw man attempt though

the argument you’re trying to make doesn’t stand up at all anyway. Pant wasn’t subbed out of a match like a concussion. He didn’t do the one of his roles that he’s weaker at, but managed to do the one he’s very good at.

 

[harsh.ag]

Mate, if you have an injury that is bad enough to stop you keeping you can’t bat like he did.

can you not understand that? Lol

I can. You can't. You are wrong.

One can bat like that if he can't keep. Get you head out of your arse and stop with the condescending tone. I like your posting generally, but this is the pits.

 

[OverratedSanity]

it’s called “test” cricket for a reason

There are few things cricket fans say that I find more pretentious tbh.