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4th Test at Old Trafford, Manchester
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Because Anderson is in a completely different class to Woakes or Curran?
Woakes has been a non entity this series mostly, and Curran is basically a 4th/5th seamer (rather than 3rd) and can be very powderpuffy.
Like presumably from not being in the squad to being in the team, Overton has impressed bowling wise in the nets and the others not so.
People overlooked it at the start of the ashes but Woakes wasn't great last year, struggled to maintain pace across the test and didn't bowl that many overs. Seems to be struggling the same way this year. And with Australian bombing him with short stuff when batting, I guess they figured he might need a break to freshen it up mentally and physically. Reasonable chance he comes back for the Oval imo.
Spark
Global Moderator
aka the mistake of pretty much every touring team when they land in perth
England test 11 for Manchester test.Craig Overton with Smith's wicket on debut(2017-18) will play instead Woakes
Craig Overton will replace Chris Woakes in England's team for the fourth Test
England have made one change to the team that won the third Ashes Test, with Craig Overton coming in for Chris Woakes.
Overton, the Somerset seamer, made his Test debut during the 2017-18 Ashes series, dismissing Steven Smith to take his first wicket, and most recently played in the defeat at Auckland in 2018.
He won selection ahead of Woakes and allrounder Sam Curran.
Woakes has taken nine wickets at 29.00 in the series, but has struggled for control, leaking 3.34 runs per over, and has bowled fewer overs per innings than the rest of England's seamers.
Overton has taken 32 wickets at 21.34 this season in the County Championship, but has only played one first-class match in the past six weeks, with the T20 Blast dominating the county fixture list.
Overton averages 21.74 in first-class cricket, with one century and nine 50s to his name, and is expected to bat at No. 8, ahead of Jofra Archer, in Manchester.
Joe Root has also confirmed that Joe Denly will open the batting with Jason Roy shifting down to number four, as reported by ESPNcricinfo.
England team for fourth Test: 1 Rory Burns, 2 Joe Denly, 3 Joe Root (captain), 4 Jason Roy, 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jonny Bairstow (wk), 7 Jos Buttler, 8 Craig Overton, 9 Jofra Archer, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 Jack Leach
Craig Overton will replace Chris Woakes in England's team for the fourth Test
England have made one change to the team that won the third Ashes Test, with Craig Overton coming in for Chris Woakes.
Overton, the Somerset seamer, made his Test debut during the 2017-18 Ashes series, dismissing Steven Smith to take his first wicket, and most recently played in the defeat at Auckland in 2018.
He won selection ahead of Woakes and allrounder Sam Curran.
Woakes has taken nine wickets at 29.00 in the series, but has struggled for control, leaking 3.34 runs per over, and has bowled fewer overs per innings than the rest of England's seamers.
Overton has taken 32 wickets at 21.34 this season in the County Championship, but has only played one first-class match in the past six weeks, with the T20 Blast dominating the county fixture list.
Overton averages 21.74 in first-class cricket, with one century and nine 50s to his name, and is expected to bat at No. 8, ahead of Jofra Archer, in Manchester.
Joe Root has also confirmed that Joe Denly will open the batting with Jason Roy shifting down to number four, as reported by ESPNcricinfo.
England team for fourth Test: 1 Rory Burns, 2 Joe Denly, 3 Joe Root (captain), 4 Jason Roy, 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jonny Bairstow (wk), 7 Jos Buttler, 8 Craig Overton, 9 Jofra Archer, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 Jack Leach
Lewis injured while
Woakes not best of his fitness
According to his coach.He is injury prone plus Licking 3.34 runs so change is good
mackembhoy
International Debutant
Woakes averaging 29 with ball and 28 with the bat. Hardly had a nightmare Ashes in fact for a number 8 second change bowler that's a good return.
Overton bowls the same speed as Woakes, his brother is the better option if we want pace and bounce. Overton didn't look to be good on bouncy fast wickets in Aus, in actually generating loads of bounce.
If our plan is to bounce the aussies out then that goes against what has actually got wickets this series for us. Our batting has been the real problem, which we weaken by replacing Woakes with Overton.
You're also completely devaluing Curran being our best player last summer there mind.
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zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Interesting. I didn't realise his stats were as healthy as that.
Groundking
International Debutant
I actually ****ing hate our selectors. We'll lose this test and all the changes they've made won't work. Why the **** do we still have a specialist bat in the team hiding at 7 averaging 9? Why are we moving a player that's just had his first score up to opening when he hasn't opened in CC in years? And to make it worse its for the other useless tosser in the team (who also averages 9) that's never going to make it at test cricket as he can't help chase the ball, who should have never been picked to open in the first place considering all his red ball cricket has been in the middle order. Ridiculous.
Also if we're dropping Woakes why aren't we bringing in an all rounder that is proven at test match level and was arguably the difference between the two sides against India last summer?
Do these clowns who select for us watch any cricket at all or know anything about the game? We've got a guy who averages 60 in FC cricket, who looks the most talented lad we've produced since Root, has just smashed a double ton AND his batting spot (no.6) is free because of how crap Buttler has been, why has he not been called up? Winning a test isn't reason to not change the batting personnel when its the batting that's let us down and we got rolled out for 60 ****ing 7 and the only reason the ashes are still alive is because Stokes played out of his skin.
Infuriates me.
Also if we're dropping Woakes why aren't we bringing in an all rounder that is proven at test match level and was arguably the difference between the two sides against India last summer?
Do these clowns who select for us watch any cricket at all or know anything about the game? We've got a guy who averages 60 in FC cricket, who looks the most talented lad we've produced since Root, has just smashed a double ton AND his batting spot (no.6) is free because of how crap Buttler has been, why has he not been called up? Winning a test isn't reason to not change the batting personnel when its the batting that's let us down and we got rolled out for 60 ****ing 7 and the only reason the ashes are still alive is because Stokes played out of his skin.
Infuriates me.
Bijed
International Regular
I'm not defending Buttler specifically, because the fact he's averaging 9 is terrible and I agree that Pope should have come in for him, but in general I don't see the problem with a specialist bat at 7. If you'd be happy with a team that had Batsman X at 6 and Wicketkeeper-Batsmen Y or All-Rounder Z at 7 and it becomes apparent that they would be better suited to bat in each other's positions, you'd make the change because it would benefit the team - you wouldn't go "nah, screw winning, can't be having a specialist bat at 7", surely?
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Groundking
International Debutant
If it was working it would be fine, but it isn't is it?
Bijed
International Regular
Was more commenting on the fact that a lot of posters on here seem to object to the idea of any specialist bat coming in at 7 - my example was completely hypothetical just to try and illustrate why I disagree with them on that
Overton isn't a horrible selection imo, nor is it bad for Woakes to be left out of the side. I think its more to do with his fitness than anything. He has played non-stop since the start of the World Cup (Archer at least got 2 test matches to rest), and hasn't been at his best currently.
I also tend to think Overton is a better bowler than Curran, and would be an especially better option if the pitch at Old Trafford plays as they are expecting it to. Curran tends to be so limited in terms of the situations where his bowling will be effective. If you had to replace an injured Stokes you'd choose Curran while Overton is probably the correct choice to replace Woakes.
Still feel for Curran though. He hasn't done anything wrong at all in home tests and seemingly
I also tend to think Overton is a better bowler than Curran, and would be an especially better option if the pitch at Old Trafford plays as they are expecting it to. Curran tends to be so limited in terms of the situations where his bowling will be effective. If you had to replace an injured Stokes you'd choose Curran while Overton is probably the correct choice to replace Woakes.
Still feel for Curran though. He hasn't done anything wrong at all in home tests and seemingly
I agree with all of that. Our team is being built around Roy which is unbelievable, nothing in his red ball career hints that we can build a team around him at 4. It puts root in not his best position and Denly who hasn't done too bad this series. I can see Denly and root going cheaply then Roy coming in at 4 and still getting f all. The ball still swings after the 10th over don't they realise this
Ugh, Just typed up a long reply and it vanished like Joe Roots tactical ability.
I picked a team for Headingley and funnily enough I had no reply from the selectors. It was a bit random, but not nearly as comical as the line up for tomorrow.
It was
Hameed
Burns
Roy
Root
Stokes (I picked him as captain)
Butler WK
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Archer
Leech.
It's a well rounded team I think, and stands a much better chance of winning at old Trafford to.
The Selectors are blind to the obvious. Folk here can see a change is needed and it starts with a new captain. Root needs to concentrate on getting runs , and not worry about his inadequacies at dealing with a team who can actually play test cricket. If I was available for selection I could do a better job. Thank ☆☆☆☆ Jimmy isn't playing.
I picked a team for Headingley and funnily enough I had no reply from the selectors. It was a bit random, but not nearly as comical as the line up for tomorrow.
It was
Hameed
Burns
Roy
Root
Stokes (I picked him as captain)
Butler WK
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Archer
Leech.
It's a well rounded team I think, and stands a much better chance of winning at old Trafford to.
The Selectors are blind to the obvious. Folk here can see a change is needed and it starts with a new captain. Root needs to concentrate on getting runs , and not worry about his inadequacies at dealing with a team who can actually play test cricket. If I was available for selection I could do a better job. Thank ☆☆☆☆ Jimmy isn't playing.
Bijed
International Regular
Tbf, if he did manage one of his lower-order counterattacks like last year, that could be pretty important. I'm not convinced by his bowling, but the potential upside of his batting is enough to make him a legitimate alternative to some of our struggling incumbents. Pope should come in before him though
Hameed? Surely the last thing an English batting lineup that has two of their top 7 averaging 10 for the series needs is an opener who has averaged 10 in FC for about 2 years