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3rd Test at Headingley, Leeds
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trundler
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They're supposed to churn out drivel like that but they would still be shitting their pants in reality
wpdavid
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That would have worked better if Giles had been an off-spinner instead of slow left arm.
If it helps, John Embury ended up the archetypal English flat offie.
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Clearly half the forum doesn't.
NotMcKenzie
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Fred Titmus, David Allen, Ray Illingworth,... basically most English off-spinners post-WWII
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stephen
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We almost completely destroyed Pattinson by trying to change his action. Was a shadow of his former self with his new action and it didn't stop the injuries.
stephen
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This. Smith should not play the next test period. Concussions are not to be messed around with.
stephen
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Swing bowling is the pace equivalent of finger spin. It's a necessary art but it's highly condition dependent. Much better to get seam movement, which is harder to play anyway.
Waqar and Steyn are the only out and out swing bowlers who have been regularly threatening everywhere in the world. Both of those guys had express pace to go with it though. And even then, Waqar struggled in Australia and Steyn tended to have long periods of not much and then run through entire line ups.
Waqar and Steyn are the only out and out swing bowlers who have been regularly threatening everywhere in the world. Both of those guys had express pace to go with it though. And even then, Waqar struggled in Australia and Steyn tended to have long periods of not much and then run through entire line ups.
the big bambino
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Could even be Broad. I mean Abbott wasn't an express.
wpdavid
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Before my time, but the 1960s generation doesn't look the most exciting. For some reason I was looking into their records a few years back. All had respectable averages based on economical run-rates but extraordinarily poor strike rates. No wonder we got excited about Swann.
Flem274*
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most swing bowlers who have long test careers add strings to their bow. dale steyn a perfect example. he had the swing spell then the crazy spells, and jimmy anderson settles in the mcgrath corridor where he nags all day. trent boult has sort of mixed the two, adding a 140 short ball or corridor spell to his armoury which has seen him take wickets in asia and uae. mohammad shami works the corridor as well, though is developing his bouncer nicely.
im trying to think of a current test swing bowler who only swings it and is staying in the side. they usually struggle to make it to test level given fc players worldwide usually love decent but not express pace on the ball with no movement.
Lillian Thomson
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Aside from the human element of not wanting a bloke suffering, it's a great shame purely from a cricketing perspective. He's been accused of struggling when the ball is swinging and has never played a Test at Headingly.
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Glad Smith out but only for his safety. Yes it gives us a huge extra advantage but his health comes first ahead of any rivalry even if it is an Ashes series. Hope he returns for 4th test on the bounciest track we have. See how he copes with Archer then.
Starfighter
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I don't think there has been a single successful bowler in test cricket who relied purely on swing, intentionally or not. When you to swing the ball conventionally you have to angle the seam, this means some amount of side spin which can move the ball the other way off the pitch, especially when old, and a good likelihood of a somewhat wobbled* seam at points which has the potential to move it some way or another. It's hard to bowl swing without moving it off the pitch at points, although getting under the ball and landing it on the shiny side may minimise it.
*There's nothing inherently special about not having the seam dead upright and straight. It's called 'wobble' when it's considered desirable and 'scramble' when it's not. The two are often indistinguishable except for situation.
*There's nothing inherently special about not having the seam dead upright and straight. It's called 'wobble' when it's considered desirable and 'scramble' when it's not. The two are often indistinguishable except for situation.
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Waqar and Steyn mastered reverse swing which comes in pretty handy on dry decks. They were both great with the old ball for this reason too. Steyn averages sub 20 with the old ball in Asia.