3rd Test at Headingley, Leeds

[trundler]

This thread is now complete.

 

[TheJediBrah]

***** has some conflict of interest here, doesn't he?

In the sense that sensible, logical posting conflicts with being *****?

 

[Daemon]

***** has previously openly admitted that he intentionally takes the wrong side in these arguments to provide a different perspective because he’s tired of mindless umpire bashing. We must thank him for that. Now we’ve all progressed to umpire bashing with a rock solid basis.

 

[cnerd123]

Teams should lose cricket matches because they're worse at the actual sport, not at being umpires.



This was, at least, the 5th occasion in this series where a review would have seen a decision overturned but it wasn't taken/wasn't available.

This.

The worst thing about the DRS is that it makes this not necessarily true all the time. It's an element I hate seeing added to the game. I'm willing to put up with it given the trade-off we get in so many bad decisions being over-turned, but it's not something we should just accept. If we can reduce element this then we should.

I agree with this. I've long said that I don't like the fact that DRS was implemented to begin with. I don't think decision making being taken out of the umpire's hands and put into the players makes things any better. And a lot of people have said this for a long time.

But given what DRS is designed to do, it's entirely the player's fault for misusing it. You may not like that it's a part of the game, but it is a part of the game, and players should use it better. If you waste a review and then suffer a bad decision - that's on the players. It's not the same as being screwed out of a review by a flaw in the DRS system (like when you don't get your review back if an edge is inconclusive or something), and it's not the same as being screwed by a bad decision in a club game, because here you have a recourse for it that you lost out of incompetence.

You can argue that players should never have gotten the ability to review decisions to begin with, and I would agree. But if you argue that the solution is to give them more reviews, then that's just dumb. Just as dumb as suggesting all decisions must be reviewed.

 

[cnerd123]

Ffs so much garbage. So ridiculous to suggest that the DRS doesn’t influence the umpires. I can’t even comprehend the stupidity of that idea

Unless this is some sort of ‘troll post’

literally every umpire who has stood under DRS will tell you that they do not let DRS influence their decision.

if you want to assume that it has an influence anyways, that's you assuming incompetence on their end. And that's fine. But it's not policy. It's not how they're meant to go about their job. That's why when michael vaughan suggested the umpire should have let the presence of DRS influence his decision, it was laughable.

Starfighter trying to paint this as a defence of umpiring standards, when all I'm saying is that it's Tim Paine's own fault for burning his review in a stupid manner, is troll posting. I'm not even discussing whether or not Joel should have given that LBW, or whether or not hawkeye tracking is buggy. Other posters have done that in this thread. I'm just reinforcing the point everyone raised up that Tim Paine burning the review is primarily to blame here.

If this were a game where DRS didn't exist, then it would be a whole different story. Similarly, if DRS did exist, but Australia got screwed out of their review by flaws in the DRS system (which there are plenty of), then I'd be sympathetic as well. But in this game, Paine wasted his review, and suffered a consequence. Complaining about DRS in this situation is poor.

Simple point that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.

 

[TheJediBrah]

***** has previously openly admitted that he intentionally takes the wrong side in these arguments to provide a different perspective because he’s tired of mindless umpire bashing. We must thank him for that. Now we’ve all progressed to umpire bashing with a rock solid basis.

I can understand wanting play devil's advocate and that excessive "umpire bashing" is not a good thing, but there's nothing wrong with doing it when it's appropriate. People doing jobs, any job, at any level (but especially the highest level), need to be competent and good at it. If they're not, then they need to be called out on it. Would you defend an incompetent surgeon that regularly kills patients with simple procedures because you want to defend against "surgeon bashing"? Pretty sure you wouldn't

I don't think decision making being taken out of the umpire's hands and put into the players makes things any better.

It absolutely has made things better though. The correct decision is being made far more often that it would without DRS, and that's important. Not having DRS in this Ashes series would have led to a multitude of farcical decisions, many more than the few that we've had that have stood because of either not having reviews left or choosing not to use a review.

If you waste a review and then suffer a bad decision - that's on the players.

lol no it's on the umpire for making a bad decision. The players aren't umpires. Why is this so hard to understand.

 

[Burgey]

literally every umpire who has stood under DRS will tell you that they do not let DRS influence their decision.

if you want to assume that it has an influence anyways, that's you assuming incompetence on their end. And that's fine. But it's not policy. It's not how they're meant to go about their job. That's why when michael vaughan suggested the umpire should have let the presence of DRS influence his decision, it was laughable.

Starfighter trying to paint this as a defence of umpiring standards, when all I'm saying is that it's Tim Paine's own fault for burning his review in a stupid manner, is troll posting. I'm not even discussing whether or not Joel should have given that LBW, or whether or not hawkeye tracking is buggy. Other posters have done that in this thread. I'm just reinforcing the point everyone raised up that Tim Paine burning the review is primarily to blame here.

If this were a game where DRS didn't exist, then it would be a whole different story. Similarly, if DRS did exist, but Australia got screwed out of their review by flaws in the DRS system (which there are plenty of), then I'd be sympathetic as well. But in this game, Paine wasted his review, and suffered a consequence. Complaining about DRS in this situation is poor.

Simple point that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.

Of all the persistently illogical bullshit ***** posts, and it is legion, the way he just characterizes anyone making a point he disagrees with as "trolling" is the worst by far. I know that's saying a lot, but it is.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean it definitely is Tim Paine's fault for using the review, but that doesn't absolve the umpire of all guilt for making the wrong decision.

It's 100% the umpire's fault for making the wrong decision

 

[stephen]

I'll just copy myself again in another attempt to steer the topic away from the not-Australian-or-Englishman's dire opinions on umpiring. Now can we stop feeding the ***** please.

Watching the last day's play the thing which isn't mentioned is just how vocal the crowd were. Their volume and intensity definitely feed into the play in the middle and Australia's panic in the field was partly to do with the buzz of the crowd.

Was terrific too see such a vocal crowd for day 4 of a test.

 

[Adders]

The state of this thread.......we've just had one of, if not the greatest test matches ever. And this is the state of conversation in the thread dedicated to it. Let's all get back to hero worshipping Ben Stokes please.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The state of this thread.......we've just had one of, if not the greatest test matches ever. And this is the state of conversation in the thread dedicated to it. Let's all get back to hero worshipping Ben Stokes please.

u just mad that the umpiring discussion reminds you that England didn't really win this Test or the WC and the only reason they did was bad umpires

****ing love Ben Stokes though

I wish I had a sister to offer up to him

 

[Adders]

No not really.

Edit:

The record books show that Eng did in fact win the WC and this Headingley test match. And the reason that they did is because of Ben ****ing Stokes bitches.

 

[Adders]

I wish I had a sister to offer up to him

She can get behind me in the queue mate.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Ben Stokes is so thick...in the neck. Wrestler's bridges ftw.

 

[stephen]

We're going to see NZ AT XI sides with Stokes in them soon.

 

[TheJediBrah]

We're going to see NZ AT XI sides with Stokes in them soon.

He's just about first-picked already

Crowe
Williamson
Stokes
Hadlee

only good players NZ have had

 

[trundler]

We're going to see NZ AT XI sides with Stokes in them soon.

He walks in as their best ever batsman, AR and 2nd best bowler

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'll just copy myself again in another attempt to steer the topic away from the not-Australian-or-Englishman's dire opinions on umpiring. Now can we stop feeding the ***** please.

Nice attempt to deflect the conversation, but not true at all. The noise level of the crowd was mentioned constantly on the Sky and TMS commentary before, during and after the match - and also in all player interviews after.

 

[nightprowler10]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I'll do it anyway.

I watched it live and the Stokes lbw was one of those 50/50 decisions to me that I would have given not out or out depending on the day of the week back in my umpiring days. It hit the front pad while he was pretty far forward and I couldn't tell how much it was spinning. When it's not your day, all those 50/50 things go against you, and it just wasn't Australia's day.

 

[hazsa19]

u just mad that the umpiring discussion reminds you that England didn't really win this Test or the WC and the only reason they did was bad umpires

****ing love Ben Stokes though

I wish I had a sister to offer up to him

There was a small part (extremely small, barely noticeable) of me that felt for Nz after the final. When it comes to you guys, I actively hope this kind of **** happens, and tbh it doesn’t sound like many others around the world are that upset. Couldn’t tell you why.

I wouldn’t change a thing about what happened on Sunday.