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2nd semi-final: India vs England | Providence

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Wasn't it a road in the 2022 semi final?
2022 was a road but India were without Kuldeep and Bumrah.

Plus India didn't have the modern T20 mindset in batting. They learned the new way after that defeat. They used to anchor their innings, now its all attack attack.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
@Molehill
India got 171 on a difficult pitch and there were so many shots Indian batters missed out on and just couldn't time because of the pitch.

Now imagine if this had been a FLAT deck (like you asked). The Indian score would be 210+ without doubt. Rohit and India were in an even more destructive mood today than they were against Australia. They were playing for freaking revenge! No one has forgotten the 2022 defeat.

So be thankful it wasn't a flat one.. or you would have got a proper thrashing in the 1st innings! Followed by masterclass from Bumrah and Kuldeep to keep England under 170/180.
 
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Sunil1z

International Regular
@centurymaker

Why are you discussing about pitch ? Did anyone say anything about pitch in 2023 WC SF and Final , when both our spinners were neutralised due to dew . Why are you posting such a long explanation?
Certain posters on this forum will never get India credit . Just ignore them and move on .
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
NZ beat India on a similar wicket in 2016 T20 WC which was played in IND . Very bad decision at Toss .
I was so shocked that England didn't bowl Moeen Ali at all.

Rashid and Livingstone bowled 8 overs for 48 runs. With Mooen bowling his 4 overs, it could have been 12 overs of spin for 70-80. Would have managed to restrict India to around 150 runs!!

Chasing 150, Buttler would have played differently and not got himself out reverse sweeping. Moeen wouldn't have panicked. Brook wouldn't have had to play adventurous shots (when he was looking good overall). All in all, the match would have been much much closer. England would have had a fair chance of chasing it down or coming close. (Buttler conceded in his post match interview that they let India get 20-25 too many).
 
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centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
So would Dube be dropped for the final now given what we saw today?

Having said that, Rahul Dravid is a stubborn guy who held on to Rajat Patidar in the Test Series so I have a sneaky feeling that he might retain Dube too.. even though he clearly doesn't trust him to do well..
 

Burgey

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Wouldn’t have made a difference, no one was beating (or getting near to) India on that deck.
This is what everyone was saying in the lead up to the ODI WC final. The great sporting nations overcome these things and perform when it matters.

England is a terrible sporting nation, let’s be honest. Has the advantages of early modernisation, being a first world and comparatively wealthy place with a decent sized population. It even has potable water for its populace.

Yet it consistently produces abject mediocrity. I know the climate is awful and contributes to the pallid pastiness, insipid nature and mean physical inferiority of the citizenry, but they really ought to do better across the sporting spectrum.

Part of the issue, of course, is how happy they are with being middle of the road. So often you hear Poms say “oh well, it was a good effort/ we didn’t expect to win anyway.” That’s what’s wrong with you people.

Notice there’s no “Happy England getting rissoled day” thread? Why? Because it’s expected and happens all the time.

The expectation must always be to win everything in which you compete, as is the case with the world’s greatest sporting nation, Australia. Anything less is unacceptable. For example, our current T20 side will now be purged and a royal commission held into their disgraceful, un-Australian “performance.” You lot will just shrug your shoulders and say “better luck next time.” Such attitudes are a blight on humanity and must be expunged to ensure long term success.

Unless and until England adopts a tougher mindset, they’ll continue to be a sporting speed bump for better nations, meekly celebrating a once per decade/ quarter century success in something and trying to live off it until the next “miracle”, which is simply what your betters consider a par performance, comes along.

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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Congrats India. I was watching Liam Gallagher by the time we went out but the game was long gone by then.

We’ve had our moments in this tournament but found wanting plenty. Build the batting line up around Salt and Brook going forwards, and Jos obviously. Bowling I’m not sure and hey I’m a bit drunk.

The most important thing is we made the last four, which is the minimum expectation in this format for any of the big three.
 

White Ball

State 12th Man
Not to get too sentimental here, but my Dad passed away in May, Cricket was something we loved watching together, we both wore our India shirt together and watched the 23 final which is the last match we watched together.

I have been too upset to wear my shirt again, but on Saturday I’ll wear it with pride and I know Dad will be watching down and hopefully enjoying the game and an India win.

But whatever the result hope it’s a great game, South Africa have been brilliant this tournament too.
 

Burgey

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Not to get too sentimental here, but my Dad passed away in May, Cricket was something we loved watching together, we both wore our India shirt together and watched the 23 final which is the last match we watched together.

I have been too upset to wear my shirt again, but on Saturday I’ll wear it with pride and I know Dad will be watching down and hopefully enjoying the game and an India win.

But whatever the result hope it’s a great game, South Africa have been brilliant this tournament too.
It’s simultaneously poignant and awesome how sport has a way of becoming entwined in important personal memories and moments. All the best to you mate.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
This is a terrible mindset tbh. It’s a WC semi final. If that’s not motivation enough then nothing will be.
Just highlighting why India/Rohit managed to play at 110%. It was not just any semi final but semi final against a team that destroyed India in 2022 by 10 wickets inside 16 overs. Rohit was so determined to make amends for that and take India to the final, which he failed to do last time. And this is coming on back off losing odi final so Rohit & co even more resolved to win.

Take out Rohit today and India gets maybe 140-145 runs. And against Aus, without Rohit's efforts, Aus would have won with ease and probably be in the final right now.
 

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