2020/21 New Zealand Domestic Season

[Flem274*]

Yeah but he could be anything on the Raven's progressive matrices, am I right. Double digits, even.

The Raven's Tests and Speed Radar Duathlon: Fisher vs. Sears.

1980s Krypton Factor intro music to compliment this really ideal Spark Sport rain delay content.

Haha if I ever disappear, I'm sure Cribb will do the right thing and set me up with a quite obscure hidden gem of a forum with some very strict membership criteria. One that only elicits about 200 posts on NZ cricket each summer month, 150 of them just being my discussions with Cribb.

can't wait to see your face when you realise your worst enemy howsie is a member.

 

[Howsie]

Won't call Fisher rapid, he's more like mid 130s but has very good action and nice approach to the crease. Bit skiddy off the deck but once he gets a bit stronger lower body wouldn't be a problem adding 5 k. Given his smooth run up he'll be consistent with his lines and length which is great. More of a Matt Henry than a Lockie this lad.

He’s definitely clocked over 140k before..... Plus let’s be real here Lockie Ferguson wasn’t 140 plus when he was 20-21 whatever age Fisher is these days. He was on the Cricket Company with Rigor and Doully trying to get him over the 140k barrier

 

[thundaboult]

Fisher clocked 144 and 146 as top speed in that U19 WC in 2018. The general cricketing world doesn't know much about him as he didn't have his marbles gargled on social media like Nagarkoti and co.

He was 18 then so yeah I'd say he's a safe future candidate for express pace barring injury or a career involving law, lol.

 

[Flem274*]

why the **** would you want to sell your soul to be some boring arse ****in lawyer instead of a real person and international cricketer i have no idea. honestly if ben sears is going to be this stupid with his obvious smarts then it's on him.

there's a reason cw is filled with lawyers - they all wish they could be test cricketers.

 

[nzfan]

why the **** would you want to sell your soul to be some boring arse ****in lawyer instead of a real person and international cricketer i have no idea. honestly if ben sears is going to be this stupid with his obvious smarts then it's on him.

there's a reason cw is filled with lawyers - they all wish they could be test cricketers.

I wouldn't blame him to be honest. The current NZ set up is such that we don't make changes in any of the format quickly enough. We seem to bring in faster bowlers when they are older. I'd think you got to bring them in when they are a bit younger and have lots of energy as well as raw. Over the time they start to think line and length will make up for pace. Early on they will hurl the ball as quickly as possible. There is definitely that injury cloud for any faster bowlers when they are young but NZ is way behind when it comes to picking players when they are young. In the recent past we have picked players who are well above 25 or bordering 30 years old.

Obviously the older players deserve to play, no doubt about that but what that does is create the feeling among the younger lot you won't be selected no matter what talent you have unless you play in the domestic set up for many years. In those years the earnings aren't good enough and it could be hit and miss future. They have to look after their future. Unless you play 10 years or more of international cricket for NZ you're not set for future. Particularly if you don't have any other skills than just being a very good cricketer.

Some of our younger Wellington players are uni goers as well. Sears - Law, Jakob Bhula - not sure what subject but does go to Uni, Ravindra - definitely a studios type. He's on to some flash university degree as well from what I know. Troy Johnson - Tradesman.

The boys from the current generation know the value of education. You have to retire from cricket at some point in time and at best the form is fickle in nature.

 

[Kippax]

That's what Grant Bradburn thought about Ish Sodhi too though, of course. "Get him onto the world stage while he's still very raw" hasn't really borne a lot of fruit there.

Gillette Cup wrap:

 

[nzfan]

Good to see few Wellington boys on the list. It was always going to be Wellington College vs the CBHS. Still quite happy a much smaller region like Wellington punching above their waist. From memory Wellington College won it recently? I know HIBS did when Sears, Ravindra, Johnson were part of the team. That was a gun school team.

 

[Flem274*]

I wouldn't blame him to be honest. The current NZ set up is such that we don't make changes in any of the format quickly enough. We seem to bring in faster bowlers when they are older. I'd think you got to bring them in when they are a bit younger and have lots of energy as well as raw. Over the time they start to think line and length will make up for pace. Early on they will hurl the ball as quickly as possible. There is definitely that injury cloud for any faster bowlers when they are young but NZ is way behind when it comes to picking players when they are young. In the recent past we have picked players who are well above 25 or bordering 30 years old.

Obviously the older players deserve to play, no doubt about that but what that does is create the feeling among the younger lot you won't be selected no matter what talent you have unless you play in the domestic set up for many years. In those years the earnings aren't good enough and it could be hit and miss future. They have to look after their future. Unless you play 10 years or more of international cricket for NZ you're not set for future. Particularly if you don't have any other skills than just being a very good cricketer.

Some of our younger Wellington players are uni goers as well. Sears - Law, Jakob Bhula - not sure what subject but does go to Uni, Ravindra - definitely a studios type. He's on to some flash university degree as well from what I know. Troy Johnson - Tradesman.

The boys from the current generation know the value of education. You have to retire from cricket at some point in time and at best the form is fickle in nature.

if they don't have the passion to prove themselves over 2-3 seasons then they don't belong in the new zealand side.

i remember the days of picking young quicks out of desperation. i believe the most egregious example averages 32 for central and is going the way of the t20 specialst.

bowlers, or anyone really, debuting a little later on average is a great sign for a national side. all the crap teams throw kids in early unless they're atgs like kane who was smoking shane bond at 19 years old. it is bad for the odd individual, but the health of new zealand cricket is more important to me than ben sears' career.

if someone is questioning whether they should go into law, business etc or be a cricketing superstar, they should take the cash and hope they don't grow to regret it. ben sears is getting NZ A call ups and bowls 150kph - he should know he's close.

 

[thundaboult]

Feels like NZC has invested plenty in Sears. Once he graduates, maybe he gets a run in the side.

 

[nzfan]

Feels like NZC has invested plenty in Sears. Once he graduates, maybe he gets a run in the side.

How many bowlers bowl closer to 150 ticks and not play for their country? I can't think of any from NZ at least. I have him in the profile and wouldn't bet a dollar against him not playing for Black caps. If I do I'll lose my dollar.

Yes there is plenty said about Jamieson, Ravindra, Allen etc but I believe of all the players the most exciting is Ben Sears. I have watched him live when he picked 6 fer vs Aces at Basin. If Jamieson was thrilling to watch Sears was twice as exciting to watch with balls flying over the keeper's head and I remember he hit so many guys. Another game was vs Otago, you could see the sheer fear in the players having to face him. He must be so hard to face in the nets as well. Generally the faster bowlers bowl massive no balls in the nets as well and likely he'll be like 160+ in the nets.

I will be distraught if we don't get to see him at his best for many years. I think he should be playing now for Black Caps in one or two formats.

 

[thundaboult]

How many bowlers bowl closer to 150 ticks and not play for their country? I can't think of any from NZ at least. I have him in the profile and wouldn't bet a dollar against him not playing for Black caps. If I do I'll lose my dollar.

Yes there is plenty said about Jamieson, Ravindra, Allen etc but I believe of all the players the most exciting is Ben Sears. I have watched him live when he picked 6 fer vs Aces at Basin. If Jamieson was thrilling to watch Sears was twice as exciting to watch with balls flying over the keeper's head and I remember he hit so many guys. Another game was vs Otago, you could see the sheer fear in the players having to face him. He must be so hard to face in the nets as well. Generally the faster bowlers bowl massive no balls in the nets as well and likely he'll be like 160+ in the nets.

I will be distraught if we don't get to see him at his best for many years. I think he should be playing now for Black Caps in one or two formats.

Still saying....law or naw, raw or naw, banger ODI's. Get him in.

 

[Bahnz]

I will be distraught if we don't get to see him at his best for many years. I think he should be playing now for Black Caps in one or two formats.

Doesn't help his case that he can't even consistently get into the Wellington starting XI. Btw, is there an injury-related reason for why he's missed Wellington's last couple of List A games or is he just being rested/lined up for A duty?

 

[thundaboult]

Doesn't help his case that he can't even consistently get into the Wellington starting XI. Btw, is there an injury-related reason for why he's missed Wellington's last couple of List A games or is he just being rested/lined up for A duty?

injury

 

[straw man]

Despite a strong bias towards HE BOWLZ FAST GET HIM IN THERE, not in a huge hurry to see Sears in an NZ team. He's young and very quick and probably doesn't have other fallback skills apart from being very quick, yet. Body still maturing and wonder if the additional need for speed from international exposure (e.g. playing an ODI or T20 and getting hit, only response to bowl faster, or needing to bowl 20 overs in a day on a flat test wicket) may increase injury risk. Early exposure to an NZ T20 side did nothing for Adam Milne.

Should be on the fast track but not the thrown-in-the-deep-end track imo. Would surely benefit by osmosis from proximity to experienced NZ bowling attack, so does need to be around. Should play NZ A cricket, absolutely.

Wonder what Shane Bond's perspective would be - he would know.

 

[SteveNZ]

How many bowlers bowl closer to 150 ticks and not play for their country? I can't think of any from NZ at least.

That's a good question - I used to say the same about FC double hundreds when Josh Brodie was making them for Wellington.

Certainly there wouldn't be any from NZ. Richard Sherlock would be the quickest guy I can think of that didn't play for NZ, but he wasn't 150. Riley Meredith has hit 150km+ and hasn't played for Australia yet (but will soon). Can't think of many more off the top of my head.

 

[SteveNZ]

Despite a strong bias towards HE BOWLZ FAST GET HIM IN THERE, not in a huge hurry to see Sears in an NZ team. He's young and very quick and probably doesn't have other fallback skills apart from being very quick, yet. Body still maturing and wonder if the additional need for speed from international exposure (e.g. playing an ODI or T20 and getting hit, only response to bowl faster, or needing to bowl 20 overs in a day on a flat test wicket) may increase injury risk. Early exposure to an NZ T20 side did nothing for Adam Milne.

Should be on the fast track but not the thrown-in-the-deep-end track imo. Would surely benefit by osmosis from proximity to experienced NZ bowling attack, so does need to be around. Should play NZ A cricket, absolutely.

Wonder what Shane Bond's perspective would be - he would know.

Yeah the Milne thing would be something to guard against, particularly as I think Sears has a mounting injury toll as well. Our A programme is a lot more robust than it used to be, get him coming through there. He'll still bowl to plenty of quality players there and in our domestic comp.

 

[jcas0167]

Under 19 tournament underway today sees the return of a few members of the side that reached the semis of the WC this year; Mairiu, Lidstone & Beckham-Wheeler. Also, Kippax favourite Curtis Millard.

 

[straw man]

New generation of engine roomers for ND? 127/6 to 302/9.

Unfortunately no video highlights for the U19s.

 

[Bahnz]

That's a good question - I used to say the same about FC double hundreds when Josh Brodie was making them for Wellington.

Certainly there wouldn't be any from NZ. Richard Sherlock would be the quickest guy I can think of that didn't play for NZ, but he wasn't 150. Riley Meredith has hit 150km+ and hasn't played for Australia yet (but will soon). Can't think of many more off the top of my head.

He might've gotten to that kinda pace if he'd been capable of staying on the paddock for more than a couple of games. Very much a victim of early 00's biomechanics.

 

[Kippax]

Live stream for the Bert Sutcliffe Oval games. Wellington and CD today, Auckland (Adi Ashok) and ND tomorrow.