2011 England or 2021 NZ?

[Fuller Pilch]

The two batting lineups are similar in strength, NZ's pace attack is better, but England had Graeme Swann. Which side is better? The NZ team seem like good mates and the English hated each other, but that's perhaps immaterial.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

You could at least have listed the line ups. Anything requiring research is out of my zone.

 

[trundler]

Cook and Strauss were a way better opening duo too. The real question is: Henry Nicholls vs Ian Bell.

 

[morgieb]

You could at least have listed the line ups. Anything requiring research is out of my zone.

England

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

New Zealand

Latham
Conway
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
Watling
de Grandhomme
Jamieson
Southee
Wagner
Boult

 

[morgieb]

Cook and Strauss were a way better opening duo too. The real question is: Henry Nicholls vs Ian Bell.

Ehhh Strauss was pretty past it by 2011. Conway could be an absolute gun too. It's better as Cook >> the Kiwi openers but I wouldn't say way better.

 

[Salamuddin]

England 2011 easily. They won away in Australia and the following year won a four test series in India. This kiwi side still has a bit to prove away from home IMO and I’m sure Kane is humble and smart enough to recognise that.

 

[honestbharani]

England 2011 easily. They won away in Australia and the following year won a four test series in India. This kiwi side still has a bit to prove away from home IMO and I’m sure Kane is humble and smart enough to recognise that.

Yeah but that England side were walloped in the UAE and these guys won there. I agree that NZ have more to prove than that side did but potentially, they can be better or at least, as good.

 

[BoyBrumby]

England

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

New Zealand

Latham
Conway
Williamson
Taylor
Nicholls
Watling
de Grandhomme
Jamieson
Southee
Wagner
Boult

Collingwood probably played more than Morgan, didn't he?

EDIT: Nope, I'm guilty of Ashes-centricity once again; last ever test was at Sydney in the NYD test.

 

[GIMH]

Collingwood probably played more than Morgan, didn't he?

retired after the 10-11 Ashes

 

[BoyBrumby]

retired after the 10-11 Ashes

Yeah, looks a stronger team with him there though.

 

[morgieb]

Collingwood probably played more than Morgan, didn't he?

EDIT: Nope, I'm guilty of Ashes-centricity once again; last ever test was at Sydney in the NYD test.

Yeah was using the originial side for the home summer of 2011. I think that summer Bresnan and Bopara came in for Tremlett and Trott post-injury but they weren't in there originally.

Definitely true he's a significant upgrade on Eoin Morgan at Test level though.

 

[BoyBrumby]

As to the question at hand, I think it'd be a good test.

I think I'm just leaning towards England, mainly because of Swann, but Morgan does look a real weak link.

Bit depressing what the England XI looks like currently by comparison. Only probably Root and Stokes would make the 2011 team. Although arguably the 2021 version of Broad is a significant upgrade on the 2011 model.

 

[Jack1]

Not easy to compare eras. To be brutally honest England are ahead by very close.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, looks a stronger team with him there though.

Maybe but...

He appeared very much finished in that Ashes series. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but, and I've no memory to verify or contradict, I bet you and I, and others, probably found ourselves glad of Morgan coming in at that point.

Shame it wasn't to be. Agree Colly makes the line up look stronger but it's not really England 2011 with him in.

As to the question at hand, I think it'd be a good test.

I think I'm just leaning towards England, mainly because of Swann, but Morgan does look a real weak link.

Bit depressing what the England XI looks like currently by comparison. Only probably Root and Stokes would make the 2011 team. Although arguably the 2021 version of Broad is a significant upgrade on the 2011 model.

Another timing one I guess. Spring 2011 versus now sure. At the end of the India series? Not a chance

 

[Athlai]

Reckon we'd slap them to be honest. 4 man pace attack in England/NZ just seems too good particularly when I'd say all our bowlers are better than their second best seamer.

Dunno about how theyd do in AU or India though.

 

[Flem274*]

2011 England achieved more, but the decline was more of a freefall thanks to injuries, internal conflict etc. The current NZ in their embryonic 2013 state gained a lot of confidence with credible performances against them.

2021 NZ are just starting out. Remains to be seen what more they can achieve or if this is it.

 

[morgieb]

Reckon we'd slap them to be honest. 4 man pace attack in England/NZ just seems too good particularly when I'd say all our bowlers are better than their second best seamer.

Dunno about how theyd do in AU or India though.

England I think would probably pinch it in India, if only because they had two spinners much better than your best one.

Australia's an interesting one. New Zealand do go to die there a bit but wonder if that's because of mental pressures from Australia. And that England side got conditions that were slightly atypical of the typical Australian wicket + a side in significant transition. Still obviously a super impressive win but if those conditions apply it might help New Zealand, especially given Jamieson's a weapon they were missing 18 months ago.

 

[Jack1]

2011 England achieved more, but the decline was more of a freefall thanks to injuries, internal conflict etc. The current NZ in their embryonic 2013 state gained a lot of confidence with credible performances against them.

2021 NZ are just starting out. Remains to be seen what more they can achieve or if this is it.

Ok

 

[Athlai]

NZ definitely won more World Test championships

 

[Gob]

Swann makes the difference for me