1st Test, Aus vs India, Adelaide oval 17th-21st December

[trundler]

Aren't those 2 patterns though

 

[Burgey]

Isn't it lovely to have a proper scoreboard to show it on?

Good to see no free runs given away in extras

/chappelli

 

[TheJediBrah]

I remember the 1999 series where we lost 3-0. By the end of that tour Gavaskar said the team lacked talent and many players who played in that test series hardly ever played for India again..

I'm pretty sure almost all of them not only played again but had pretty extensive careers after that

 

[Burgey]

Shami confirmed out for the rest of the series. Can India forfeit please.

Thats ****ed. I love that man deeply and purely.

 

[GotSpin]

I know there weren't many runs left in the second dig but I'm a little concerned about Labuschagne at the moment. Looks off

 

[Gob]

I'm pretty sure almost all of them not only played again but had pretty extensive careers after that

Like Travis would after his magnificent match winning hundred against NZ last season

 

[Gob]

I know there weren't many runs left in the second dig but I'm a little concerned about Labuschagne at the moment. Looks off

NO RUN

 

[Nintendo]

I'd take the McWarne attack personally. McGrath/Gillespie > Starc/Hazlewood. Cummins >>Lee. But Warne >>Lyons. And imo, McWarne and co bowled against better batting (generally). India, Pakistan, WI (sad to say), South Africa, England (probably) had better batting lineups then, than they do now. Still, this Australian attack is something special and to produce such a great attack in short order, makes he hate (jealous) of Australia even more (jk about the hate part)

If you ignore the spinner I would prefer our modern pace attack to the 2000's one, Cummins at the moment is as good as McGrath ever was at any Point in his career, haze is as good as Gillespie but starc shits all over lee as a test bowler. I would take the 2000's attack with the spinner involved because Warne>>>>>Lyon but our current pace attack is crazy, especially if green actually makes a fist full of test cricket.

 

[trundler]

Cummins yesterday was as good as any bowler ever but McGrath was literally the difference in England tbf. Like Steve Smith. So while I do see the parallels with the great man but flat out saying they're equals is premature.

 

[stephen]

I know there weren't many runs left in the second dig but I'm a little concerned about Labuschagne at the moment. Looks off

I said last summer that it remains to be seen whether Labuschagne is anywhere near as good as his stats suggest. He's had one good year of cricket and people think he's the second coming of Smith. I'm a bit more wary about him than most. I still think he's going to end his career with a 45ish average.

If you ignore the spinner I would prefer our modern pace attack to the 2000's one, Cummins at the moment is as good as McGrath ever was at any Point in his career, haze is as good as Gillespie but starc ****s all over lee as a test bowler. I would take the 2000's attack with the spinner involved because Warne>>>>>Lyon but our current pace attack is crazy, especially if green actually makes a fist full of test cricket.

Yeah absolutely. This attack had better second and third pace bowlers (at least in their current incarnations). Lee was always a pressure valve for opponents. With these three there's nowhere to run. It's a great pace attack the likes of which we haven't seen since the 80s Windies (who were better).

Lyon Is good but isn't in the same class as Warne was. Warne made the 00s attack overall better than the modern one but Lyon isn't exactly a weakness.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Cummins at the moment is as good as McGrath ever was at any Point in his career

**** no. I won't have people disrespecting my boy Pigeon like this

 

[GotSpin]

I said last summer that it remains to be seen whether Labuschagne is anywhere near as good as his stats suggest. He's had one good year of cricket and people think he's the second coming of Smith. I'm a bit more wary about him than most. I still think he's going to end his career with a 45ish average.



Yeah absolutely. This attack had better second and third pace bowlers (at least in their current incarnations). Lee was always a pressure valve for opponents. With these three there's nowhere to run. It's a great pace attack the likes of which we haven't seen since the 80s Windies (who were better).

Lyon Is good but isn't in the same class as Warne was. Warne made the 00s attack overall better than the modern one but Lyon isn't exactly a weakness.

We would definitely take a 45 average though

The bowling attack would be even better if they had the batsmen to support them. So irritating to see Head just loft a straight drive back to Ashwin after the bowlers have been toiling in the field

 

[stephen]

Cummins yesterday was as good as any bowler ever but McGrath was literally the difference in England tbf. Like Steve Smith. So while I do see the parallels with the great man but flat out saying they're equals is premature.

McGrath took 87 wickets at 19.3 in 14 tests in England (6.2 wpm)

Cummins has 29 wickets at 19.6 in 5 tests in England (5.8 wpm)

Not much at all between them except an extra two tours by McGrath.

 

[stephen]

We would definitely take a 45 average though

The bowling attack would be even better if they had the batsmen to support them. So irritating to see Head just loft a straight drive back to Ashwin after the bowlers have been toiling in the field

Yeah absolutely agree. I don't think Labuschagne is bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think his stats flatter him greatly and he'll revert to a more regular mean. Whether that's 50+ or mid 40s is yet to be seen.

 

[stephen]

One other though I had about yesterday's play was that the Australian batsman who handled Ashwin the best was Joe Burns. He looked very comfortable against Ashwin, used his feet well and really took him apart at times.

I think Burns really could have made a much better middle order batsman than he has opener. His technical weaknesses wouldn't be anywhere near as much of a liability in the middle order and he seems to have a strong game against the biggest threats to the middle order (short pitched bowling and spin).

 

[trundler]

McGrath took 87 wickets at 19.3 in 14 tests in England (6.2 wpm)

Cummins has 29 wickets at 19.6 in 5 tests in England (5.8 wpm)

Not much at all between them except an extra two tours by McGrath.

5fers and series impact though

 

[TheJediBrah]

The bowling attack would be even better if they had the batsmen to support them. So irritating to see Head just loft a straight drive back to Ashwin after the bowlers have been toiling in the field

It was unacceptable. Needs to spend some time in Grade cricket to sort himself out and then come back but never play for Australia again

 

[Flem274*]

labuschagne's third greatest strength behind a tight technique and a hunger for runs is he has mastered the play and miss.

with smith oppo fans say 'please **** up please **** up' with labu it's 'oh **** off come on how did you not nick that you tinny ****?'

 

[stephen]

5fers and series impact though

Cummins has played literally one series there and just like yesterday he deserves more wickets than he gets, mostly because Starc cleans up the tail after Cummins has taken the big wickets.

I honestly don't think there's much of a difference at all between Cummins and McGrath in tests.

 

[trundler]

Cummins has played literally one series there and just like yesterday he deserves more wickets than he gets, mostly because Starc cleans up the tail after Cummins has taken the big wickets.

I honestly don't think there's much of a difference at all between Cummins and McGrath in tests.

I'll reserve judgement for when Cummins has had his McGrath at Lord's moment. It's premature is all I'm saying. Like, McGrath's impact was immense. They don't win without him as is the case with Smith. Ability wise maybe but he needs more credit in the bank.