1st Quarter Final - South Africa v Sri Lanka (18th March)

[GotSpin]

Rally around Sri Lanka - Keep the dream alive

 

[viriya]

'We're not going to choke' - AB de Villiers | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Famous last words?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dem fightin words, but it's not as though sa don't big themselves up before high pressure games only to fall in a heap on the pitch.
I seriously hope they win, though. In a way their history is so completely against them you could consider them underdogs in a way.

 

[Antihippy]

What would constitute a choke though. Is being defeated considered a choke, or is it getting into scenarios like blocking the last ball a game only to tie it because they read the D/L equation incorrectly?

 

[harsh.ag]

Losing from a winning position when put under pressure. I think a choke is like porn - you know it when you see it.

 

[ankitj]

Not only losing from winning situation, but even a brain freeze ala 2007 world cup semi would qualify for the broader "choking" definition.

 

[harsh.ag]

I guess it's more difficult to see that as a choke in the sense sometimes you are just outplayed, and it can be difficult to differentiate those. But sometimes yes, that broader definition would apply as well. Like I said, you will know it when you see it.

 

[ankitj]

I guess it's more difficult to see that as a choke in the sense sometimes you are just outplayed, and it can be difficult to differentiate those. But sometimes yes, that broader definition would apply as well. Like I said, you will know it when you see it.

That was a massive brain freeze. There is no other way to describe it. Just check how Smith and Kallis gave their wicket away. When batting first, that's the way you choke. Same thing happened to them in semi final of last champions trophy.

 

[r2i]

if lanka bats first and scores 300, then rsa cant win. if rsa bats first and scores 300, lanka has 50:50 chances. choke is when rsa wins toss and bowls first. malinga to take care of amla and herath for abdv. the rest will take care of themselves. expect a comedy runout in between

 

[viriya]

SL players feature a lot in the top batsmen (in terms of average with 150+ run requirement) in WC knockouts:
Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Mahela with 81 avg @ 107 SR the standout.

 

[Niall]

So it seems Herath is out..

Kashaul in the squad.

Massive blow if true, not convinced by Sena since he returned.. Don't see Prasanna doing much to concern South Africa.

 

[viriya]

So it seems Herath is out..

Kashaul in the squad.

Massive blow if true, not convinced by Sena since he returned.. Don't see Prasanna doing much to concern South Africa.

Is he confirmed out? I thought it was 50-50.

 

[_Ed_]

I guess it's more difficult to see that as a choke in the sense sometimes you are just outplayed, and it can be difficult to differentiate those.

Absolutely, and I definitely believe they were just outplayed in the 2011 quarterfinal.

 

[Niall]

Is he confirmed out? I thought it was 50-50.

reliable?

Sri Lanka enters knock-outs without Herath : Mirror Sports

 

[viriya]

reliable?

Sri Lanka enters knock-outs without Herath : Mirror Sports

SL are ****ed then. They pick a guy who was meh in his Test debut and has never played an ODI over a guy who got the most wickets in ODIs in 2014. Might as well go full gamble mode and pick Chameera as well..

 

[YorksLanka]

Balls..what is it with our players getting injured?? Oh well Satchi and Prasana for me with Dilshan taking up the other spinners role..

 

[Bahnz]

What would constitute a choke though. Is being defeated considered a choke, or is it getting into scenarios like blocking the last ball a game only to tie it because they read the D/L equation incorrectly?

According to Malcolm Gladwell, a choke is when a sportsman starts thinking too much about what they're doing to the detriment of their carefully honed skills. Donald's run-out in the 1999 WC Semi is a classic choke, because rather than just reacting to his partner's call as he'd been trained to do, he was too busy thinking about where the ball was, and what he should be doing. It's arguable that none of SA's other WC exits meets this definition though, so in their case the term choke has been used more in the sense of finding ways to lose from a position of strength.

 

[hendrix]

According to Malcolm Gladwell, a choke is when a sportsman starts thinking too much about what they're doing to the detriment of their carefully honed skills. Donald's run-out in the 1999 WC Semi is a classic choke, because rather than just reacting to his partner's call as he'd been trained to do, he was too busy thinking about where the ball was, and what he should be doing. It's arguable that none of SA's other WC exits meets this definition though, so in their case the term choke has been used more in the sense of finding ways to lose from a position of strength.

I think the 2011 world cup vs NZ was a choke.
- Faf running out ABDV. I believe he was thinking singles and that's why he took off.
- Duminy missing a straight ball from NcCullum - sorry, but NcCullum's arm ball is pretty much stock, and that shot was one of the worst I've ever seen. I believe he was thinking a boundary would ease the pressure a bit even though the run rate required wasn't particularly high at the time. In muddling his thinking he flailed wildly at a simple straight delivery and was bowled.

 

[Bahnz]

I think the 2011 world cup vs NZ was a choke.
- Faf running out ABDV. I believe he was thinking singles and that's why he took off.
- Duminy missing a straight ball from NcCullum - sorry, but NcCullum's arm ball is pretty much stock, and that shot was one of the worst I've ever seen. I believe he was thinking a boundary would ease the pressure a bit even though the run rate required wasn't particularly high at the time. In muddling his thinking he flailed wildly at a simple straight delivery and was bowled.

Using the strictest definition, the 2011 qf was more of case of mass panic rather than a choke. If a choke is an incidence of a player thinking too much, then a panic is where a player or team think too little and start taking unnecessarilly risky or hasty actions that the situation doesn't call for. When Kallis was dismissed, New Zealand's slow bowlers built some pressure, the RRR started to rise, and South Africa - rather than staying calm and playing the full 50 overs - started taking a pile of completely unnecessary risks. Duminy trying to slog the spinners, quick singles that weren't really required. Then some genuinely excellent bowling from Jacob Oram compounded things and before you knew it South Africa had lost the game.

 

[smash84]

Really looking forward to quarter final s starting