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18th June - FINAL - India vs Pakistan

Zinzan

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Annoyed I've been too busy to watch, but am recording the highlights tonight.

Hats off to them. I must confess to thinking the only way Pakistan would win is chasing a small score because as much as I rate their bowling. I really didn't think they had it in them to score more than 280 with the bat. so I almost had to look twice to confirm that had indeed scored well over 300.

The margin in the end was quite unbelievable, I thought for Pakistan to win it would be really close and that it would be India that might run away with it.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Man.... what a day and what a game. Had a big viewing party at my cousin's. Whole family was there. Lots of kids, lots of people and lots of fun. And then the match happened. :laugh:


First of all, awesome awesome work by the Pakistan team. They thoroughly outplayed 3 of the favorites and totally deserve to be the Champions at the end of this tournament. I am amazed that a team that had to do course correction just a couple of weeks ago is now at this stage but such is life. They got on a roll and they never stopped. All credit to Sarfraz, Arthur and the rest of the coaching and management of the Pakistan team. It was a pleasure and a privilege to watch the sort of attacking cricket they played over the past two weeks, culminating in an amazing display in the final against a very strong Indian side. They were positive, they got some luck early on, they went for it and never let up. There is a time and a place to analyze if their side can go on to be a champion side, but they are definitely getting into the top 3 in the world if they can keep up this form. And I cant be happier for the Pak fans here at CW. Some of the best lot we have seen (notwithstanding the PP crap that spouts in now and then) and have had to put up with their team basically being a joke and a punchline in the LO format. And today they stand tall as champions. Fabulous stuff from the Men in Green and fabulous stuff for the supporters.

Big credit to BW here. He mentioned it right off the bat in the first game that to beat India, Pak has to bat first. And so they did. :)

As far as India is concerned, they do not become a bad side overnight. There is a lot to dissect from a performance like this and there are various talking points across the board. But to me, the biggest concern here is Bumrah and his temperament. He got Fakhar out and it was a no ball. Big deal. It happens in cricket. He then bowled a good follow up for the free hit delivery and then bowled another good length ball at pace outside off. Fakhar threw his bat, french cut it for four. And then it seemed Bumrah just burst. Wides, no balls, balls either side of the wicket, no planned length or line and it continued throughout the match. You got one man in on the leg side at square leg and you bowl a leg stump half volley. It was Umesh Yadav stuff. And Bumrah is supposed to be that rare breed in cricket, the intelligent fast bowler. He definitely crumbled under the pressure yesterday and I just do not get it. They were 9/0 after 3 overs and maybe it was something like 16/0 after 3.2 and then he just combusted. That is not a good sign. For a man who is a bit of a death overs specialist, you would expect him to keep his head a bit more under such circumstances.

Ashwin has to decide if he is going to be a wicket taking spinner or not. If he is going to try and be another Harbhajan, he is not needed in this side. Its a waste of time now and the management need to have a serious chat with him and his bowling plans as far as LO cricket goes. I am not gonna blame our batting too much coz collapses happen, esp. in a big final facing a steep target. They just outplayed us and that is that. It happens in cricket, it has happened to better teams than us in the past and it will happen in the future too.

My worry about India is that this is a decidedly stronger side than the one we put out in the CT in 2013 or the WC in 2015. And yet, there is a template and a pace these guys are comfortable with. And to be fair to them, it does work 90% of the time. But the 10% that it does not work, esp. in KO games, we just look lost. We aim to be the Australia of the 2000s and yet we are still only the South Africa of the late 90s. Need to figure out if Yuvi and MSD are the best long term options. MSD should bat up the order against the Windies as he seems to have totally lost his knack of keeping the strike rotating within the fielding restriction overs. He used to do it well with some well timed aggression mixed with sharp rotation of the strike in his early years and he needs to get it back. You cannot be a world beating side if you can't have folks at #4 and #5 who can't bat through the innings.

All in all, excellent display from Pakistan. I had said earlier that if India cannot win, I wanted England to win. But Pakistan have played a similar brand of likeable cricket and to top it off, they can attack with their bowling too. So really glad that if we had to lose, we lost to them. Kudos to the Pak team and all their supporters here. This one is a well earned one. Enjoy guys!!! :)
 

Agar

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
there is a template and a pace these guys are comfortable with. And to be fair to them, it does work 90% of the time. But the 10% that it does not work, esp. in KO games, we just look lost. We aim to be the Australia of the 2000s and yet we are still only the South Africa of the late 90s.
This rings very true. Well said. India will still remain the team that continues to make the top 2 or 4 consistently, and maybe even win the odd major trophy, but there will always remain the danger of getting blown away by the occasional force majeure. The only way really, to prepare for this is to fill the side with players who have a potential ceiling far above their median. Kohli, and by the looks of it, Pandya have that capability to turn a match single handedly. Ashwin and Jadeja, in contrast, run the risk of becoming those middling tenured players that teams have a hard time shrugging of, to their own detriment.
 

Agent Nationaux

International Coach
Man.... what a day and what a game. Had a big viewing party at my cousin's. Whole family was there. Lots of kids, lots of people and lots of fun. And then the match happened. :laugh:


First of all, awesome awesome work by the Pakistan team. They thoroughly outplayed 3 of the favorites and totally deserve to be the Champions at the end of this tournament. I am amazed that a team that had to do course correction just a couple of weeks ago is now at this stage but such is life. They got on a roll and they never stopped. All credit to Sarfraz, Arthur and the rest of the coaching and management of the Pakistan team. It was a pleasure and a privilege to watch the sort of attacking cricket they played over the past two weeks, culminating in an amazing display in the final against a very strong Indian side. They were positive, they got some luck early on, they went for it and never let up. There is a time and a place to analyze if their side can go on to be a champion side, but they are definitely getting into the top 3 in the world if they can keep up this form. And I cant be happier for the Pak fans here at CW. Some of the best lot we have seen (notwithstanding the PP crap that spouts in now and then) and have had to put up with their team basically being a joke and a punchline in the LO format. And today they stand tall as champions. Fabulous stuff from the Men in Green and fabulous stuff for the supporters.

Big credit to BW here. He mentioned it right off the bat in the first game that to beat India, Pak has to bat first. And so they did. :)

As far as India is concerned, they do not become a bad side overnight. There is a lot to dissect from a performance like this and there are various talking points across the board. But to me, the biggest concern here is Bumrah and his temperament. He got Fakhar out and it was a no ball. Big deal. It happens in cricket. He then bowled a good follow up for the free hit delivery and then bowled another good length ball at pace outside off. Fakhar threw his bat, french cut it for four. And then it seemed Bumrah just burst. Wides, no balls, balls either side of the wicket, no planned length or line and it continued throughout the match. You got one man in on the leg side at square leg and you bowl a leg stump half volley. It was Umesh Yadav stuff. And Bumrah is supposed to be that rare breed in cricket, the intelligent fast bowler. He definitely crumbled under the pressure yesterday and I just do not get it. They were 9/0 after 3 overs and maybe it was something like 16/0 after 3.2 and then he just combusted. That is not a good sign. For a man who is a bit of a death overs specialist, you would expect him to keep his head a bit more under such circumstances.

Ashwin has to decide if he is going to be a wicket taking spinner or not. If he is going to try and be another Harbhajan, he is not needed in this side. Its a waste of time now and the management need to have a serious chat with him and his bowling plans as far as LO cricket goes. I am not gonna blame our batting too much coz collapses happen, esp. in a big final facing a steep target. They just outplayed us and that is that. It happens in cricket, it has happened to better teams than us in the past and it will happen in the future too.

My worry about India is that this is a decidedly stronger side than the one we put out in the CT in 2013 or the WC in 2015. And yet, there is a template and a pace these guys are comfortable with. And to be fair to them, it does work 90% of the time. But the 10% that it does not work, esp. in KO games, we just look lost. We aim to be the Australia of the 2000s and yet we are still only the South Africa of the late 90s. Need to figure out if Yuvi and MSD are the best long term options. MSD should bat up the order against the Windies as he seems to have totally lost his knack of keeping the strike rotating within the fielding restriction overs. He used to do it well with some well timed aggression mixed with sharp rotation of the strike in his early years and he needs to get it back. You cannot be a world beating side if you can't have folks at #4 and #5 who can't bat through the innings.

All in all, excellent display from Pakistan. I had said earlier that if India cannot win, I wanted England to win. But Pakistan have played a similar brand of likeable cricket and to top it off, they can attack with their bowling too. So really glad that if we had to lose, we lost to them. Kudos to the Pak team and all their supporters here. This one is a well earned one. Enjoy guys!!! :)
Great post and thanks a lot for this. It means a lot to hear praise for your team from the opposite team.

Really admired Kohlis class at the end and he won me over as a fan. Great player and classy guy.

Also good to see players from both sides and fans joking around during and after the match.

An excellent game and probably one of the best cricketing moments for me. Really made my day to see Pak winning the trophy after being written off by everyone as a no 8 team.

The only downside was the I couldn't be there in person. :(
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Great post and thanks a lot for this. It means a lot to hear praise for your team from the opposite team.

Really admired Kohlis class at the end and he won me over as a fan. Great player and classy guy.

Also good to see players from both sides and fans joking around during and after the match.

An excellent game and probably one of the best cricketing moments for me. Really made my day to see Pak winning the trophy after being written off by everyone as a no 8 team.

The only downside was the I couldn't be there in person. :(

Happy for you mate. :) Your lot have been just as wonderful, at least on CW, after the recent losses. Its great that the fans can get along. :) I have often seen that we end up supporting Pak more than other fans here and same with the Pak contingent. As long as we kick the butts of those Aussie and English sides, huh? :)


And I think Mickey Arthur is becoming a bit of an unsung hero here. Or is the Pak media heaping praise on his ways too? Something about ex South African coaches, just seem to click with Pakistan cricket teams. :)
 

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
Out all weekend so couldn't watch, but what a perfect tournament from Pakistan. Raising their game every match before peaking in the final, making a class team look ordinary.

Really well done.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Fantastic turn around by Pakistan capping it off by demolishing their arch finals and one of the tournament favorites in the Final. Its been a very pleasing tournament to see as the youngsters stood up. I would rate this as our second biggest limited overs triumph below the 92 World cup but higher then the T-20 World Championships.Hopefully these is no resting on the laurels Mickey-Sarfraz have their work cut out this limited overs is still a work in progress and this current team will not win you a World Cup as there are still quite a few soft players in the line up.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
some fantastic pictures on Azhar Ali twitter his sons getting all giddy and excited while taking pictures with their heroes Yuvraj, Dhoni and Kohli this is what sports should be about.
 

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
My close friend here showed a whatsapp message that he got before the final which showed many of the happenings in the match. Like India will choose to chase if they win toss, Rohit getting out for 0, India being 50/4, India will lose by 150 odd runs. Ashwin will go for the highest number of runs etc. He ignored it thinking it is fake but when it all happened, he was surprised. The next day he showed the message to me and yes, it has come before the final started.

What do we infer from this? Is match-fixing real? I for one do not want to believe it. Am not a controversy guy but this did upset me a bit.

Edit: Is it fine for me to post this here in a public forum or should I delete it?
 
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cnerd123

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My close friend here showed a whatsapp message that he got before the final which showed many of the happenings in the match. Like India will choose to chase if they win toss, Rohit getting out for 0, India being 50/4, India will lose by 150 odd runs. Ashwin will go for the highest number of runs etc.
Sounds like OS's posting tbh
 

Bijed

International Regular
My close friend here showed a whatsapp message that he got before the final which showed many of the happenings in the match. Like India will choose to chase if they win toss, Rohit getting out for 0, India being 50/4, India will lose by 150 odd runs. Ashwin will go for the highest number of runs etc. He ignored it thinking it is fake but when it all happened, he was surprised. The next day he showed the message to me and yes, it has come before the final started.

What do we infer from this? Is match-fixing real? I for one do not want to believe it. Am not a controversy guy but this did upset me a bit.

Edit: Is it fine for me to post this here in a public forum or should I delete it?
Hopefully just a case of the monkey/typewriter theory in action - if loads of people make even pretty specific predictions, there's a good chance one will turn out to be quite accurate. Kind of like how alleged psychics do their thing.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Its time for me to man up and accept that it was my failure that cost the team. I should have been on CW instead of my cousin's party that day. Taking on BW and smileyshah and Gambhiring our team to victory. I take full responsibility. :(
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
My close friend here showed a whatsapp message that he got before the final which showed many of the happenings in the match. Like India will choose to chase if they win toss, Rohit getting out for 0, India being 50/4, India will lose by 150 odd runs. Ashwin will go for the highest number of runs etc. He ignored it thinking it is fake but when it all happened, he was surprised. The next day he showed the message to me and yes, it has come before the final started.

What do we infer from this? Is match-fixing real? I for one do not want to believe it. Am not a controversy guy but this did upset me a bit.

Edit: Is it fine for me to post this here in a public forum or should I delete it?
None of those predictions are too far fetched.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
My close friend here showed a whatsapp message that he got before the final which showed many of the happenings in the match. Like India will choose to chase if they win toss, Rohit getting out for 0, India being 50/4, India will lose by 150 odd runs. Ashwin will go for the highest number of runs etc. He ignored it thinking it is fake but when it all happened, he was surprised. The next day he showed the message to me and yes, it has come before the final started.

What do we infer from this? Is match-fixing real? I for one do not want to believe it. Am not a controversy guy but this did upset me a bit.

Edit: Is it fine for me to post this here in a public forum or should I delete it?
Post a screenshot of the message.
 

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Hopefully just a case of the monkey/typewriter theory in action - if loads of people make even pretty specific predictions, there's a good chance one will turn out to be quite accurate. Kind of like how alleged psychics do their thing.
Yes, I too hope that this is the case and as Shri has said, it is not very far-fetched but quite surprising considering they have all turned accurate.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
There was a tweet to the same effect doinng the rounds. Pretty sure you can google and find it with timestamps etc but the fact that it has not gotten any bigger probably means its nothing, tbh.
 

Daemon

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These whatsapp forwards come out before every single final. The ones I see are almost always wrong, but you always get some dude who claims he received an accurate one.
 

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