Alderman slags off Giles

EnglishRose · Jun 13, 2005

http://content.cricinfo.com/engvaus/content/story/210960.html

Very good comments from Terry. I think Giles is massively overrated by the Pommies on this forum.

Craig · Jun 13, 2005

I thought the reason for it was because he was bowling to a plan set up by the England management and Giles being a big team man was going along with it. Thant and he doesn't turn the ball a great deal (and yes I know what Richard's response will be).

marc71178 · Jun 13, 2005

Yes, that is exactly the point Craig.

He was bowling to a plan, and the plan worked - yet he gets lots of criticism for it!

And what is wrong in a bowler getting wickets by frustrating the batsman? If you ask me it's a perfectly good plan to use.

Also, I can only assume he didn't see much of Giles in 2004 if he's going to talk like that.

Craig · Jun 13, 2005

I guess the only critisim was say a couple of years back when he was pitching a foot outside leg stump and seldom the ball going for four leg byes (IIRC Bob Willis said the umpire should call it four wides but I can't remember 100%), instead when he attacking the batsmen this way.

Pitching it a foot outside leg stump may not.

Top_Cat · Jun 13, 2005

I can honestly never understand the criticism of Giles for his bowling on that tour. It's a slightly negative tactic to bowl outside leg-stump, yes, but it's a legitimate tactic and most importantly, it worked! Australia employed slightly more negative tactics than usual on their Indian tour recently but were they criticised? Hell no. In fact it was quite the opposite (stroke of genius and all that).

vic_orthdox · Jun 13, 2005

Interesting that call about Giles. But before that, read in The Age (Melbourne Newspaper) an interview with Alderman where he actually made a number of very good insights, talking about how Hoggard the biggest worry for Australia because of the lack of exposure any batsman now has to quality swing bowling.

Smudge · Jun 13, 2005

marc71178 said:
And what is wrong in a bowler getting wickets by frustrating the batsman?

Well, if my name was Richard...

FaaipDeOiad · Jun 13, 2005

I think Terry has it about right. Unless he's getting a lot of assistance, Giles doesn't bowl very many wicket balls. I hate to sound like Richard, but it's pretty hard to see the Australian's giving up a lot of wickets to him unless the wickets are really turning or they play silly shots.

BoyBrumby · Jun 13, 2005

Voltman said:
Well, if my name was Richard...

We'd all call you "D1ck".

Actually......

Top_Cat · Jun 13, 2005

But before that, read in The Age (Melbourne Newspaper) an interview with Alderman where he actually made a number of very good insights, talking about how Hoggard the biggest worry for Australia because of the lack of exposure any batsman now has to quality swing bowling.

*yawn* Bit behind the times there Terry; I wrote an article about this in mid-2002 (or 2003; can't remember).

Of course that was so long ago, there's no link to it anymore on CW.net.

howardj · Jun 13, 2005

Alderman is just bitter because Giles bowls faster than he did!

SpeedKing · Jun 13, 2005

The way Giles got over all the criticism he took last year, i doubt he will even give half-a-hoot of what Alderman is talking about

howardj · Jun 13, 2005

SpeedKing said:
The way Giles got over all the criticism he took last year, i doubt he will even give half-a-hoot of what Alderman is talking about

yeah, when you're spanish royalty, you dont have a worry in the world

Pratters · Jun 13, 2005

Giles is an average bowler but he suits well in the English bowling attack, blocking one end while guys like Hoggard and Harmison can attack. So he does his utility job well.

lord_of_darkness · Jun 13, 2005

^ I think so too.. we cant criticize him too much when someone like Gareth Batty is his next replacement!

Scaly piscine · Jun 13, 2005

Top_Cat said:
I can honestly never understand the criticism of Giles for his bowling on that tour. It's a slightly negative tactic to bowl outside leg-stump, yes, but it's a legitimate tactic and most importantly, it worked! Australia employed slightly more negative tactics than usual on their Indian tour recently but were they criticised? Hell no. In fact it was quite the opposite (stroke of genius and all that).

Yea Warne regularly bowls negatively like this (except it's supposedly not negative because he's trying to bowl people around the legs, but then Giles is still trying to get people out when he does it) , not in as long a spell as Giles, but in more frequent short spells certainly.

simmy · Jun 13, 2005

It's an old tactic Nasser made him use (bowling outside leg stump) against Tendulkar when India toured England... it got him frustrated and out, so why not the Aussies?

Also, Giles had come on so much as bowler in recent series... can't see England being overly worried about his capabilities.

Richard · Jun 13, 2005

howardj said:
Alderman is just bitter because Giles bowls faster than he did!

However fast he was, I doubt anyone else will ever have the phenominal success he did in England in 1981 and 1989.

Richard · Jun 13, 2005

simmy said:
It's an old tactic Nasser made him use (bowling outside leg stump) against Tendulkar when India toured England... it got him frustrated and out, so why not the Aussies?

It certainly didn't get Tendulkar out in 2002 - it got him out once in 2001\02, in India.

Also, Giles had come on so much as bowler in recent series... can't see England being overly worried about his capabilities.

Giles hasn't really come on at all, he's almost exactly the same bowler now as he was on debut in 1998. Recently he's unexpectedly had some turners at home and as such some unexpected success.

Richard · Jun 13, 2005

Pratyush said:
Giles is an average bowler but he suits well in the English bowling attack, blocking one end while guys like Hoggard and Harmison can attack. So he does his utility job well.

And on turners he's categorically not an average bowler and is in fact a World-class strike-force; and since summer 2003 he's been attacked well when it's not turning despite bowling the over-the-wicket line.
And if Harmison attacks anything Australian with too much success this summer I'll be astonished.

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