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    Better Test player when they overlapped - Barnes vs Hobbs

    First-class statistics from 1907-08 to 1914. Hobbs 20152 runs @ 45.06, with 55 hundreds. His nearest English rival was Phil Mead with 14867 @ 43.47 and 39 hundreds. Woolley averaged 36. Fry didn't play as much, or tour anywhere, averaging 52. The Australians played fewer matches but on better...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Arthur Mailey 1961: Trumper, Ponsford, Macartney, Bradman, Archie Jackson, Noble*, Miller, Jack Gregory, Oldfield+, Trumble, O'Reilly. Keith Miller 1977: Charles Bannerman, Trumper, Bradman, Ponsford, McCabe, Miller, Noble*, Lindwall, Tallon+, Grimmett, O'Reilly.
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    Jim Laker vs Hedley Verity

    All so-called Tests in South Africa were on matting until the 1930-31 series against England. The first and fourth matches of that series at the Old Wanderers were on matting, with the other three, at Cape Town and Durban, on grass. 41 games in total, with the hosts winning 11 and losing 22...
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    Hashim Amla vs Sir Frank Worrell

    Yes. Mainly against India with Mankad, Gupte, Ghulam Ahmed, Phadkar, etc. Also Fazal and Khan Mohammad for Pakistan, and Ceylon's first choice attack.
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    Battle of the ROWs

    Procter and Richards had secured employment elsewhere. The Pollock brothers missed the first two internationals due to other commitments. England had been scheduled to tour the sub-continent in 1971-72 but the trip was cancelled due to security concerns. Boycott and Snow were not planning to go...
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    Herbert Sutcliffe vs George Headley

    Another Yorkshireman with a cool temperament whose Test record exceeded his reputation was FS (Stanley) Jackson. Before 1914 the best place to bat was Australia. Jackson never went there, playing all his international cricket on the more variable English pitches. Ten men scored 700 or more runs...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    For their 70th anniversary in 1991 the magazine asked their president, EW Swanton, to pick his World XI covering the period 1921-1991. He chose the following team, all of whom he had seen: Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman*, Sobers, Headley, Miller, Davidson, Evans+, Marshall, O'Reilly, Gibbs. 12th man...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    Compton was always rated higher than Sutcliffe. He had a hint of genius and was better to watch. We take the sweep shot for granted now, but when Compton invented it there was something of a sensation, especially since virtually everyone else who tried it got out lbw. Before satellite...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    This is 1971. All four judges were in their sixties and Ashes veterans. England v Australia had long been regarded as the pinnacle of the game, with West Indies and South Africa only recently having recorded their first-ever series victories over Australia. Stats were widely available but, as...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    All four voted for Bradman, Hobbs, Hammond, Hutton, Compton, Headley, Sobers, Lindwall and Tate. All except Ames voted for Bedser, Grimmett, Larwood and McCabe. All except Allen voted for Ponsford. All voted for O'Reilly except himself. Two votes: Evans (Allen, Fingleton), Laker (Allen, Ames)...
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    AI all-time XI

    The original Little Master was Hanif, who was also believed to have invented the reverse sweep.
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    Post from 2023. =============================================================================================== In 1971 The Cricketer magazine celebrated its 50th anniversary by asking four eminent senior figures to choose their greatest twenty cricketers since 1921. The four were Ames, Gubby...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    Some opinions on relative standing of English fast/medium bowlers. 1899. WG Grace. 1 George Freeman, 2 Lohmann, 3 Richardson, 4 Lockwood 1914. AE Stoddart. 1 Barnes, 2 Lohmann, 3 Lockwood 1932. Pelham Warner. 1 Barnes, 2 Lockwood, 3 Lohmann, 4 FR Foster 1959. Herbert Strudwick. 1 Barnes, 2...
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    Harold Larwood vs James Anderson

    Larwood refused to play against the Australians in 1934, and made himself unavailable in 1936-37 when he went to India instead. MCC (on behalf of the British government) was now more interested in maintaining good wider diplomatic relations with Australia than in winning cricket matches...
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    Abdul Qadir vs Subhash Gupte

    The only South Africans Sobers mentioned in his Foreword were Richards, Procter and Graeme Pollock. The book featured 100 all-time teams picked by various ex-players. Number of votes for South African cricketers were as follows: 17 - Barry Richards 10 - Graeme Pollock 4 - Kallis 3 - Donald...
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    Is imran overated as bowler

    During the 1990s some historians claimed that, compared with other sports, cricket had not changed significantly since the 1890s. On commentary recently it was suggested that the game had changed more in the 21st century with T20 than during the whole of the 20th century.
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    Murali vs Barnes vs O’Reilly vs Warne

    Barnes started off as a fast bowler, modelling himself on Tom Richardson, before cutting his pace to suit conditions. Cardus confirmed that his average pace was on the brisk side of medium and that he swung the new ball. Hobbs said that much of his success on South African matting was the...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Sydney Barnes

    That's true. Among those who said Barnes was the best bowler they ever saw were: Hobbs, Woolley, Strudwick, MacLaren, Rhodes, Warner, Johnny Tyldesley and Arthur Gilligan among Englishmen. Plus Noble, Hill, Macartney and Faulkner. Few of his contemporaries disagreed. Fry said he found Lohmann...
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    Sydney Barnes vs Bill O’Reilly

    There are several photos of Barnes bowling during the 1911-12 series in David Frith's Pictorial History of England v Australia. One shows Trumper being caught by Woolley at second slip in Sydney. Two at Melbourne have Hill caught at long-on and, most striking, Minnett cutting Barnes for four...
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    Sydney Barnes vs Bill O’Reilly

    There was no confusion about Barnes' bowling at the time. That came later with the rubbish he fed journalists. Contemporary reports confirm that he was considered a normal medium-pacer who generally tried to get batsmen caught behind the wicket or in the slips. He only had two men on the leg...

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