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  1. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

  2. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Some have, some other fans of other countries have been asking for extreme bans and then going through multiple hoops trying to justify it for this situation but not other situations without wanting to openly admit why they want a ban.
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    It's 100% relevant though because no it is not two sets of fans. Most of the fans on here arguing for harsh punishments are not Australian. They do not support Australia. They are just arcing up because a player they don't like from a country they don't like is in trouble but they turned a blind...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    This is 100% correct, but it's relevant in how some people are trying to make out like Smith is the devil. It's relevant in how people reacted to that vs how extreme some people are reacting to this.
  5. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Bloke drinks and drives in a company car - gets caught, loses his licence. That's the law dealing with the underlying issues. The company doesn't fire the bloke or do anything, no one cares, media says nothing, fans keep on going on with their lives without making it an issue. Same bloke...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    All these arguments fall apart though when you look at how the same thing has played out for other players. Faf should have been banned too then. He was the South African test captain. He planned to cheat. He was caught cheating. He did it TWICE. He tried to deny it and didn't own up to it as...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    What? You went off the deep end there. The underlying offence there is taking money to change the outcome of a game which is illegal. Your argument is like saying the underlying offence in shooting someone in the head is discharging a firearm.
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Not to mention that so many ex players and talking heads keep saying the coach must have known in this situation or the dressing room would have know/no one just does this randomly. Doesn't that imply that in other ball tampering cases other players would have known or planned as well? I'm not...
  9. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Why don't we make Tim Paine coach?
  10. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Life time ban for NSWers in my opinion!
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    There was an article on one site claiming this could cost Australia millions of dollars because it's been bought up in trade agreement brexit meetings with one of the Australian ministers and now they don't trust Australia. The whole article was based on one comment from the minister saying it...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Offtopic but I was always surprised there wasn't an amphetamine scandal in cricket, I remember seeing an article about baseball and after all the PEDs were banned the drop off in stats wasn't as big as the drop off after amphetamines were targeted and a bunch of players said it was drugs like...
  13. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    His agency reps Damien Martyn, Nathan Bracken and a bunch of reality tv winners. I'm sure he knows exactly what he's talking about.
  14. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Like this? David Warner and Steve Smith trapped 'inside a bubble' of fast cars and multi-million dollar wages | Daily Mail Online and this Steve Smith and David Warner are facing life bans over ball tampering scandal | Daily Mail Online Some of these articles are hilarious.
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    They need to clear all the leadership, this incident shouldn't be the only thing they bring up in these investigations the team has been on a big downward slide when it's come to how they've acted in recent years. It's gone from the older tough but fair type attitude that they used to try and...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Not sure what straws you think I'm clutching at? That guy wants life/5 year bans for people who cheat otherwise he is saying we should just acknowledge cheating is ok, I'm simply asking then should his own team have retroactive punishment for admitting to cheating? Should other players who've...
  17. outbreak

    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    And the people claiming Smith deserves a life/5 year ban are the same people saying because he was caught once he's done this before as well. That guys also saying we should be hard on cheaters and ban them for life so if someone cheats once in his book shouldn't we void all their achievements...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    The NZ team of the 90s admitted to cutting a bottle top into pieces covering it with tape to hold better and using that to gouge the ball to get their swing, should they all be labelled cheats and void their test wins? No one is saying cheating is acceptable but at the same time ball tampering...
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    Six months? why? Everyone else who get's found guilty of ball tampering get's 1-2 matches and a fine. Smith should get the same plus lose the captaincy.
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    Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

    I don't know 100%, he had it in his pocket i assume he filled his pocket during the game. He may also be telling the truth saying he kept it in his pocket to dry his hands and then just decided to rub it on the ball during a game. It's different to bringing the tape out there planning on doing...

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