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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    No, Waqar was not a quality fast bowler in the new millenia. Hell, he was not even fast in the new millenia and relied on swing more than anything else. Akhtar is a decent fast bowler- nothing extraordinary really. Since i do not consider a Hadlee + 3 nobodies as a 'quality fast bowling...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    By 'good' fast bowling attacks, i do not mean a near-retirement medium pace 80mph Waqar Younis or an erratic Akhtar. Nor do i mean one-bowler in an attack who barely plays more than 5 matches a year and the rest are dibbly dobbly medium pacers. If thats the standard, then Paddles-led Kiwi attack...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    You don't have to make up stuff ya know. Hayden back when he played them failed to average 30. Nuff said, really. Utter nonsense. You try that against opening fast bowlers of Curtley/Wasim/Waqar callibre and you will die on the pitch. One of the reasons openers have traditionally been weak...
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    Is Flintoff Overrated?

    :thumbs_up
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    No it does not. Gretsky says so. I would love to see you say you understand better about criterias for measuring greatness than one of the greatest sportsmen in history of this planet. Life does not work that way. Screw up your class tests- no probs. Do well on finals- all that matters. Same...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Stop trying to teach me the relation between relativism and empirical study( i dont think you can teach me anything on this topic that Engineering hasn't), stop beating around the bush and answer my goddamn question : Relativistic comparison is meaningless without an empirical standard, unless...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    THATS WHAT I WAS DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE! COMPARING TENDULKAR AND PONTING AT THEIR PEAKS! *sigh* blind fans such as yourself are freaking annoying tbh. Utter, categoric and total lies. Ponting's record or performance did not even begin to match Tendulkar's since 2002 or so. Simply seeing...
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    Is Flintoff Overrated?

    :huh:
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Simple stuff, chap. Lets try it again : Relativistic comparison is meaningless without an empirical standard, unless ofcourse, you happen to be 3x better than your next-best competitor ala Bradman. Simple enough ? Clear ? This is such a simple point, really. Do you agree or disagree- a simple...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    False. Tendulkar = averaged 57 in Ambrose's own backyard. Ponting = umm. nowhere close. Case closed, really. False. Read my quote again. I am comparing the peaks of Tendulkar and Ponting and seeing who the top bowlers and how easy batting was when they hit those peaks. It was okay. Seen...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Not relative. Its also empiric. In a post-nuclear holocaust world, where cricket is played by spastic people and lepers, the second best or best side is really an irrelevant benchmark. Sorry if i have to use extreme examples to drill some sense in your head. I think i've already explained why...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Hayden bombed utterly when he played against decent attacks on decent pitches in the 90s. (pre 2001, Hayden : 528 runs @ 26.40). Someone who saw Hayden bat during those days said that Hayden was essentially the same batsman but played as if he lacked confidence. I had the same impression- but...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    South Africa today = 1/2 South Africa in the 96-2002 period.
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    Is Flintoff Overrated?

    I think 'where a player stands today respective to his contemporaries' is a flawed and meaningless point unless you happen to outshine your contemporaries by a few orders of magnitude like Bradman did. For eg, top 5 pacers in the 80s would've been Marshall, Imran, Hadlee,Holding,Garner probably...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Eh ? i don't get what you are asking. Obviously not everyone has the same exact set of opportunities and variables, especially if they begin their careers several years apart. They peak at different times, against different players, etc etc. I view cricket excellence in terms of 'what are the...
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    Is Flintoff Overrated?

    Not really. If a alltime great batsman is a handy bowler (like say Steve Waugh) or a handy batsman (like say Hadlee,Wasim, Benaud,etc) i don't really consider them to be as good as true allrounders (like Botham/Kapil/Miller) who are/were excellent at both or players like Imran who went from a...
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    Kumble announces ODI retirement

    Much more often than you ask this question, you should look at Stuart McGill ( ie, i get-owned-vs-good-spin-playing-teams) and ask " what is the point of a leggie who can't land two consecutive balls on the same square foot on the pitch ?"
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    Is Flintoff Overrated?

    Overrated as compared to what ? Are you putting Flintoff in the top echelon with Imran, Miller, Sobers ? If so, i'd say yes, he's definitely overrated. Are you putting Flintoff in the bracket just below with Kapil, Mankad, Botham, Kallis, Procter, etc ? Then yes, i'd say he is probably...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    Always. The very same reason performance against the Aussies of 90s-present is given higher marks than against anyone else. The very same reason why 1 goal in stanley cup finals is worth 20 regular season goals. The very same reason why the ultimate test of your ability to play spin is in India...
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    Matthew Hayden- I mean come on, seriously

    IMO Richardson would've done decently in any era. He had a solid defence and solid backfoot play. His weakness was his scoring shots- he often missed/mistimed when he went for a scoring shot. I'd have him rather than mr no back-foot Matty facing quality opening fast bowlers on pitches that arnt...

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