Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Davidson underrated
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Ian Botham vs Dennis Lillee
- Thread starter Johan
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subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You really are useless to debate with. Notice how you ignored all the arguments I gave?
And another strawman. I never said ignore averages. But look at wicket hauls and penetration too so we dont consider taking 5 wickets in 2 tests @ 20 a worldclass performance.
I am debating whether you have genuine comprehension issues but I think you know these points but I fully expect you to ignore this and reply with something irrelevant or another strawman.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There really aren't tiers for bowlers IMO excepts ATG and non ATG. Bats maybe by looking at the top of each era.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Depends how much they bowled
(idk or care which player/series you’re talking about fyi)
govinda indian fan
International Debutant
Hopefully by the time of his retirement bumrah enters tier 2
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Hmmmmm maybe
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sure. But in Lillees case he still has a better WPI than Hadlee at home.Depends how much they bowled
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Tier 1:
Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Barnes, Murali
Tier 2:
Warne, Steyn, Ambrose, Imran, O'Reilly, Akram, Donald
Tier 3:
Holding, Garner, Lindwall, Lillee, Trueman, Bumrah, Cummins, Davidson
Tier 4:
Waqar, (van der Bijl), Walsh, Pollock, Rabada, Anderson, Roberts, Spofforth, Ashwin, Grimmett, Procter, Bedser, Laker
Tier 5:
Verity, Tayfield, Larwood, Statham, Kumble, Gibbs, Hazlewood, Snow, Lohmann, Bishop, Willis, Philander, Johnston, Underwood, Chandrasekhar, Hall, Adcock, Mahmood, Bedi, Pollock, Rhodes, Lyon, Tate
Tier 6:
Kapil, Botham, Broad, Richardson, Gillespie, Croft, Clarke, Cowie, Akhtar, Tyson, Turner, Jadeja, Herath, Wagner, Boult, Shami, Trumble, Blythe, Wardle, Johnson, Constantine, Bowes, McDermott, McKenzie, Swann, Mushtaq, Gupte, MacGill, Peel, Prasanna, Ntini, Thomson, Vogler, Streak,Gough, Asif, Starc, Harris, Bond, Southee, Ramadhin, Vaas, Morkel, Briggs, Lock, Ferris, C Griffith, H Griffith, Voce, Freeman
Tier 7:
Lockwood, Foster, Reid, Aldermann, Valentine, Jamieson, de Villiers, Daniel, Taylor, Amar, Nissar, Hughes, Heine, Collinge, Motz, Maharaj, Appleyard, Qasim, Srinath, Fraser, Hughes, Lee, McDonald, Gregory, Cairns, Hoggard, Hendricks, Caddick, Brown, Higgs, Farnes, Lee, Martindale, Roach, Flintoff, Zaheer, Ishant, Seales, Jansen, Schultz, Hall, Abbott, Toshack, Mallett, Mailey, Yadav, Qadir, Mushtaq, Singh, Shah, Ironmonger, Yardley, Faulkner, Peate, Clark, Patterson, Nortje, Boland, Pattinson, Kaneria, Titmus, Nash, Walker, Palmer, Lawson, Harmison, Francis, Gilchrist, Hasan, Cairns
Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Barnes, Murali
Tier 2:
Warne, Steyn, Ambrose, Imran, O'Reilly, Akram, Donald
Tier 3:
Holding, Garner, Lindwall, Lillee, Trueman, Bumrah, Cummins, Davidson
Tier 4:
Waqar, (van der Bijl), Walsh, Pollock, Rabada, Anderson, Roberts, Spofforth, Ashwin, Grimmett, Procter, Bedser, Laker
Tier 5:
Verity, Tayfield, Larwood, Statham, Kumble, Gibbs, Hazlewood, Snow, Lohmann, Bishop, Willis, Philander, Johnston, Underwood, Chandrasekhar, Hall, Adcock, Mahmood, Bedi, Pollock, Rhodes, Lyon, Tate
Tier 6:
Kapil, Botham, Broad, Richardson, Gillespie, Croft, Clarke, Cowie, Akhtar, Tyson, Turner, Jadeja, Herath, Wagner, Boult, Shami, Trumble, Blythe, Wardle, Johnson, Constantine, Bowes, McDermott, McKenzie, Swann, Mushtaq, Gupte, MacGill, Peel, Prasanna, Ntini, Thomson, Vogler, Streak,Gough, Asif, Starc, Harris, Bond, Southee, Ramadhin, Vaas, Morkel, Briggs, Lock, Ferris, C Griffith, H Griffith, Voce, Freeman
Tier 7:
Lockwood, Foster, Reid, Aldermann, Valentine, Jamieson, de Villiers, Daniel, Taylor, Amar, Nissar, Hughes, Heine, Collinge, Motz, Maharaj, Appleyard, Qasim, Srinath, Fraser, Hughes, Lee, McDonald, Gregory, Cairns, Hoggard, Hendricks, Caddick, Brown, Higgs, Farnes, Lee, Martindale, Roach, Flintoff, Zaheer, Ishant, Seales, Jansen, Schultz, Hall, Abbott, Toshack, Mallett, Mailey, Yadav, Qadir, Mushtaq, Singh, Shah, Ironmonger, Yardley, Faulkner, Peate, Clark, Patterson, Nortje, Boland, Pattinson, Kaneria, Titmus, Nash, Walker, Palmer, Lawson, Harmison, Francis, Gilchrist, Hasan, Cairns
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BazBall21
International Captain
I wouldn't have Ashwin a tier above some of those numbers in #5 and don't think Murali should be a tier above Warne.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
The spinners in different tiers is such unfiltered bullshit
capt_Luffy
International Coach
What can I say, think there's a small gap between the records of Ashwin/Grum/Laker and Kumble/Verity/Tayfield/Gibbs/Underwood/Chandrasekhar/Bedi/Rhodes/Lyon
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
I was referencing the top 2 being in different tiers
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Agree.
Thala_0710
International Debutant
+1
Put Murali down to tier 2 (or at least Warne to tier 1 if you disagree)
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Where is Van Der Bijl?
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
in Graham Gooch's backpocket
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't disturb him, he's onto something.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Simply put, I don't qualitatively there's much difference between Warne and Murali. I think the 5 in tier 1 all have strong individuals arguments to be the Best Ever, and while I can see some for Steyn or Warne; I think the ones for those 5 are clear cut strongest.