Hirst was preferred to Barnes for home Tests until he turned forty. Also in Australia in 1903-04. Obviously their records overseas do not compare.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Johan
International Coach
yeah his record in England is very good, on the good Australian wickets, was his skillset just too limited in comparison to say a Barnes or a Rhodes?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Gladly
Johan
International Coach
Though seriously, surely Root has done enough to make it in before May and Compton unless you want May's captaincy?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Root’s already in the Yorkshire team, mate.
Johan
International Coach
oh wow, I'm an idiot.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
The first step is admitting it.
Compared with them, yes. His swerve (left-arm inswing from round the wicket) didn't work in the thinner atmosphere. A fondness for the pull shot also proved his undoing there at times, as it did with Jessop.
Captain Warner said that one reason why Barnes was left out of the tour to Australia in 1903-04 was that he had not yet mastered the ball coming back off the pitch. Virtually everything went away. Warner confirmed that Barnes' "leg-break" was "cut rather than spun".
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Pretty silly in hindsight, Plum.
Though I guess it didn’t end up mattering with Rhodes dominating that tour.
bagapath
International Captain
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Everything in cricket is disputable.
You know some people even try and dispute Bradman
Anyway Compton and May = 2 HTB. So yawn
Johan
International Coach
I mean, Yeah I'd agree Compton was better than May
Johan
International Coach
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Johan
International Coach
what does that phrase have to do with wrestling?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I guess you’re not that big of a fan.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Test XIs with a single player per decade:
Australia:
Victor Trumper (1900s)
Bob Simpson (1960s)
Don Bradman (1940s) (c)
Steve Smith (2010s)
Allan Border (1980s)
Charlie MaCartney (1920s)
Adam Gilchrist (2000s) (wk)
Alan Davidson (1950s)
Dennis Lillee (1970s)
Bill O'Reilly (1930s)
Glenn McGrath (1990s)
England:
Jack Hobbs (1910s)
Herbert Sutcliffe (1920s)
Len Hutton (1940s)
WG Grace (1870s) (c)
Wally Hammond (1930s)
Ian Botham (1970s)
Les Ames (1940s) (wk)
Jim Laker (1950s)
Fred Trueman (1960s)
James Anderson (2010s)
Sydney Barnes (1900s)
South Africa:
Barry Richards (1970s)
Bruce Mitchell (1930s)
Jacques Kallis (2000s)
Graeme Pollock (1960s)
Dudley Nourse (1940s) (c)
Aubrey Faulkner (1900s)
John Waite (1950s) (wk)
Mike Procter (1980s)
Dale Steyn (2010s)
Kagiso Rabada (2020s)
Allan Donald (1990s)
West Indies:
Chris Gayle (2010s)
Frank Worrell (1940s) (c)
George Headley (1930s)
Brian Lara (2000s)
Viv Richards (1970s)
Garry Sobers (1950s)
Shane Dowrich (2020s) (wk)
Learie Constantine (1920s)
Malcolm Marshall (1980s)
Curtly Ambrose (1990s)
Lance Gibbs (1960s)
India:
Sunil Gavaskar (1970s)
Vijay Merchant (1940s)
Rahul Dravid (2000s)
Sachin Tendulkar (1990s)
CK Nayudu (1920s) (c)
Farokh Engineer (1960s) (wk)
Kapil Dev (1980s)
Ravichandran Ashwin (2010s)
Amar Singh (1930s)
Jasprit Bumrah (2020s)
Subhash Gupte (1950s)
New Zealand:
Stewei Dempster (1920s)
Glenn Turner (1970s)
Kane Williamson (2020s)
Martin Crowe (1990s)
Martin Donnelly (1930s)
John Richard Reid (1950s) (c)
BJ Watling (2010s) (wk)
Daniel Vettori (2000s)
Richard Hadlee (1980s)
Bruce Taylor (1960s)
Jack Cowie (1940s)
For India and NZ, as they only have 10 Test playing decades, I included the decade just before their Test debut.
World:
Jack Hobbs (1910s)
WG Grace (1870s)
Don Bradman (1940s)
Viv Richards (1970s)
Steve Smith (2010s)
Garry Sobers (1950s)
Adam Gilchrist (2000s) (wk)
Imran Khan (1980s)
Bill O'Reilly (1930s)
Glenn McGrath (1990s)
Sydney Barnes (1900s)
Australia:
Victor Trumper (1900s)
Bob Simpson (1960s)
Don Bradman (1940s) (c)
Steve Smith (2010s)
Allan Border (1980s)
Charlie MaCartney (1920s)
Adam Gilchrist (2000s) (wk)
Alan Davidson (1950s)
Dennis Lillee (1970s)
Bill O'Reilly (1930s)
Glenn McGrath (1990s)
England:
Jack Hobbs (1910s)
Herbert Sutcliffe (1920s)
Len Hutton (1940s)
WG Grace (1870s) (c)
Wally Hammond (1930s)
Ian Botham (1970s)
Les Ames (1940s) (wk)
Jim Laker (1950s)
Fred Trueman (1960s)
James Anderson (2010s)
Sydney Barnes (1900s)
South Africa:
Barry Richards (1970s)
Bruce Mitchell (1930s)
Jacques Kallis (2000s)
Graeme Pollock (1960s)
Dudley Nourse (1940s) (c)
Aubrey Faulkner (1900s)
John Waite (1950s) (wk)
Mike Procter (1980s)
Dale Steyn (2010s)
Kagiso Rabada (2020s)
Allan Donald (1990s)
West Indies:
Chris Gayle (2010s)
Frank Worrell (1940s) (c)
George Headley (1930s)
Brian Lara (2000s)
Viv Richards (1970s)
Garry Sobers (1950s)
Shane Dowrich (2020s) (wk)
Learie Constantine (1920s)
Malcolm Marshall (1980s)
Curtly Ambrose (1990s)
Lance Gibbs (1960s)
India:
Sunil Gavaskar (1970s)
Vijay Merchant (1940s)
Rahul Dravid (2000s)
Sachin Tendulkar (1990s)
CK Nayudu (1920s) (c)
Farokh Engineer (1960s) (wk)
Kapil Dev (1980s)
Ravichandran Ashwin (2010s)
Amar Singh (1930s)
Jasprit Bumrah (2020s)
Subhash Gupte (1950s)
New Zealand:
Stewei Dempster (1920s)
Glenn Turner (1970s)
Kane Williamson (2020s)
Martin Crowe (1990s)
Martin Donnelly (1930s)
John Richard Reid (1950s) (c)
BJ Watling (2010s) (wk)
Daniel Vettori (2000s)
Richard Hadlee (1980s)
Bruce Taylor (1960s)
Jack Cowie (1940s)
For India and NZ, as they only have 10 Test playing decades, I included the decade just before their Test debut.
World:
Jack Hobbs (1910s)
WG Grace (1870s)
Don Bradman (1940s)
Viv Richards (1970s)
Steve Smith (2010s)
Garry Sobers (1950s)
Adam Gilchrist (2000s) (wk)
Imran Khan (1980s)
Bill O'Reilly (1930s)
Glenn McGrath (1990s)
Sydney Barnes (1900s)
bagapath
International Captain
India:
Navjot Singh Sidhu (1980s)
Syed Mushtaq Ali (1920s)
Vijay Hazare (1950s)
GR Viswanath (1970s)
VVS Laxman (1990s)
MS Dhoni (2010s) (C) (wk)
Lala Amarnath (1930s)
Vinoo Mankad (1940s)
Javagal Srinath (2000s)
Mohammad Shami (2020s)
BS Chandrasekar (1960s)
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Would be hard to change this XI to make it better even without restrictions. Probably Sachin come in for Richards or Smith I guess