Final – India v New Zealand – Sunday, March 9 – Dubai

[Silver Silva]

Never write off NZ when a Bracewell is bowling.

But so many NZ fans were insulting Michael Bracewell when he debuted , it's a fickle world !

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah but BCCI did not ask ICC to negotiate TV rights with those clauses though. Again, I get the BCCI arm twisting accusations but in this case, I think its far more than that and I honestly think BCCI acted decently enough, as they did have Jay Shah when he was president of BCCI go down and meet PCB chariman quite a few times, and now for the Asia Cup, they have apparently moved the entire tournament (hosted by BCCI) to the UAE. I really dont think this was some kind of WWE script set up for India to win, mainly because if ever there was a time to do it, it was on ****ing 40th birthday.

Fair. Just don't think the international competition should essentially be held to ransom on the whims of one nation, especially when it does their players and fans a disservice.

I think India's matches would've been a lot closer in Pakistan on those pitches, even if they would've eventually come out on top. Their team dynamic would probably be a lot different (potentially extra seamer for a spinner).

 

[Silly Point 2.0]

Also a tournament is meaningless without India for me. They need to be in it from a purely sporting aspect before you even touch on the economics. I think most people from elsewhere, yes admittedly with less knowledge and feeling around the subject, wishes they'd played in Pakistan but from an economic and sporting perspective the right decision was made.

 

[honestbharani]

Fair. Just don't think the international competition should essentially be held to ransom on the whims of one nation, especially when it does their players and fans a disservice.


I think India's matches would've been a lot closer in Pakistan on those pitches, even if they would've eventually come out on top. Their team dynamic would probably be a lot different (potentially extra seamer for a spinner).

Yeah, I get that but you also cant take a risk against Government security advice. Didn't NZ fly out of Pak hours before a game was supposed to begin under similar advice?

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah, I get that but you also cant take a risk against Government security advice. Didn't NZ fly out of Pak hours before a game was supposed to begin under similar advice?

Indeed. Slightly different contexts though, as it was a bilateral test series, and NZ made a deal to return. In tournament situations, where you can't defer games until its safe, teams have traditionally taken the L (forfeit).

 

[honestbharani]

On the game itself, both Rohit Sharma and GG are big on match-ups. I take it on evidence of today that so are Santner and NZ. It just shows how silly it can be coz they did not bring on Bracewell as they felt they didn't want the offie on at Gill and Rohit. And yet he is the one who gets Virat another right hander, first ball. Now they may end up thinking if they kept him for too late in the game.

 

[King Kane]

But so many NZ fans were insulting Michael Bracewell when he debuted , it's a fickle world !

Not me, I wish I was a Bracewell I might have got a game for NZ.

 

[NZTailender]

Also a tournament is meaningless without India for me. They need to be in it from a purely sporting aspect before you even touch on the economics. I think most people from elsewhere, yes admittedly with less knowledge and feeling around the subject, wishes they'd played in Pakistan but from an economic and sporting perspective the right decision was made.

Considering the Champsions Trophy was based on qualifying (hence no Sri Lanka and WIndies) in some hypothetical world where India doesn't make it should the rules be broken to include them?

 

[Moss]

If Santner's not going to bowl himself at this stage, would rather test out Iyer against one of the pacers (you'll have to get them back in the game anyway). Ravindra's an improved bowler but don't see him picking up wickets unless the batsmen gift it to him. Or get Phillips in now if you have to.

 

[honestbharani]

Indeed. Slightly different contexts though, as it was a bilateral test series, and NZ made a deal to return. In tournament situations, where you can't defer games until its safe, teams have traditionally taken the L (forfeit).

Very true. As I said, the fairest possible conclusion was to go ahead without India. But due to the economics of cricket, that was off the table and we are stuck with this.

All that said though, I do think the advantage talk from the usual suspects (not you guys that I have engaged with today, as this has been far mature discussion) would have stayed the same as we would have ended up playing every game in Lahore and not travelling around like the other teams anyways. That was basically what PCB proposed from their side.

 

[Silly Point 2.0]

Considering the Champsions Trophy was based on qualifying (hence no Sri Lanka and WIndies) in some hypothetical world where India doesn't make it should the rules be broken to include them?

Not if they fail to qualify through sporting means no

 

[honestbharani]

Considering the Champsions Trophy was based on qualifying (hence no Sri Lanka and WIndies) in some hypothetical world where India doesn't make it should the rules be broken to include them?

IT shouldn't but you can bet your bottom dollar ICC would bend over to do that. I dont even blame the current or previous ICC Management for it. They were put in an impossible situation because of the way the rights had been negotiated. I find it amazing given that India-Pak tensions have been there for decades, they did not think of that eventuality when discussing these rights.

 

[Qlder]

Geez, logged in to see what people are saying about 2 quick wkts for NZ and it's all waffle about whether India should have played CT or not, which had been done to death over last few weeks

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

They will collapse in a heap! Eden Gardens '96 redux. Congrats, Kiwibros.

 

[NZTailender]

Very true. As I said, the fairest possible conclusion was to go ahead without India. But due to the economics of cricket, that was off the table and we are stuck with this.

All that said though, I do think the advantage talk from the usual suspects (not you guys that I have engaged with today, as this has been far mature discussion) would have stayed the same as we would have ended up playing every game in Lahore and not travelling around like the other teams anyways. That was basically what PCB proposed from their side.

I think the effect would be less pronounced, though. The pitches were pretty different between the countries, plus you can't underestimate crowd atmosphere in a match. The crowd in Dubai is really subdued when the opposition hit a 4 or 6 or take a wicket, but rave over every Indian play like it's being played in India.

 

[Moss]

Considering the Champsions Trophy was based on qualifying (hence no Sri Lanka and WIndies) in some hypothetical world where India doesn't make it should the rules be broken to include them?

The rules would probably be tweaked. Recall the 2007 WC, after India crashed out in the first round, the format has increasingly been designed not just to ensure India has maximum chance of making the knockouts but also get as many guaranteed games as possible.

 

[honestbharani]

the format has increasingly been designed not just to ensure India has maximum chance of making the knockouts but also get as many guaranteed games as possible.

That is not true. Eveyr team has the same number of games in the WC, come on.

 

[SkyBlue]

Philips might have just won the Champions Trophy with that catch

 

[honestbharani]

Definitely building up pressure here for India. Dunno if Shreyas or Rohit wll be cool enough to see through it like Virat has been for us.

 

[SkyBlue]

Wicket was coming