*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

[sledger]

your points about adriano and toni are fair enough, indeed adriano has the abilities that you list, i just wouldnt call him devastating, toni where i appreciate he works hard, that much is evident, i just dont see him as a particularly brilliant player, although i would love tp be proved wrong.

Trezeguet on the other hand, i have never see play well, sure he may score goals, so does duncan ferguson, his ability on and off the ball strikes me as being clumsy and inneficient, his failure to perform on the big stages mean to me he is average at best, although watching him in serie A make him appear to me at being a rather oafish, uncomitted, sluggish and un-skillful individual.

 

[aussie]

I disagree, all three are highly rate individuals IMO. Adriano, when fit is simply devastating, pace, strength, technically brilliant, the complete package.

Whilst David Trezeguet, if given the right service will score bucket loads, 95 goals in 150 games for Juventus, is some scoring pedigree considering he does not take pens. He does nothing other than score, he will not track back or run the channels, such trivial things do not equate in the guys brain but give him a chance and he will score.

Toni, on the other hand does everything Trezeguet will not do. A tirelessly worker and a demon in the air with surprisingly good feet, his a real assist for any team and was shockingly unlucky in the World Cup.

yea i agree with this much more, although its fair to say that Trezeguet has dipped over the past few seasons at Juve..

 

[aussie]

Says the person who things that his side have a quality strikeforce and a genuine challenge for the title.

Well they do, Rooney is world class, Saha is in top form even though he didn't really get to show it in the world cup, 4 top class defenders in Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic & Heinze & good set up mid-fielders that if play well as it unit has a real of winning the premiership.

 

[roseboy64]

So replicate a load of propaganda and expect us all to swallow it?

Only Roseboy is that gullible and he already thinks that everything the club does is right.

Of course I don't think everything they do is right. Such as sellling John Spector and buying Patrice Evra.

 

[roseboy64]

harsh sentiments from marc, harsh, but accurate however.

Not really.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

was shockingly unlucky in the World Cup.

By unlucky do you mean he couldn't hit the goal even after countless chances? I mean against Australia he missed at least 3 sitters in one half.

 

[Agent TBY]

I wouldn't call someone who can't last 65 minutes in a game "world-class".

 

[Craig]

Anyway William Gallas is in the middle of a stand-off with Chelsea. Personally the sooner they go rid of him the better (I mean he has a cry being asked to play out of position, fine drop him to the reserves and ban him from training).

And I have to laugh at what is going on with Wembley, purely because how long it is taking. Come on Jack tell your bosses to pull their finger out

 

[GIMH]

1) Carrick will only cost £18.6m if we get the PL & CL. If we get both, I'd be happy with that cost.

Bloody hell, Tottenham got mugged there. Might as well have thrown in a clause where the Mancs have to pay an extra £50 million if Carrick sprouts wings and develops the ability to fly around the pitch in the next three years. It's more likely.

United will win nothing.

 

[Loony BoB]

So replicate a load of propaganda and expect us all to swallow it?

Only Roseboy is that gullible and he already thinks that everything the club does is right.

Facts are facts, not propoganda. I'm not saying we'll win, I'm just saying the situation isn't as dire as people are trying to make it sound.

GeraintIsMyHero - They didn't get mugged - it's expected they'll get £12-14m even if we don't win the PL & CL. That's a fair price for him, I'd say.

 

[Matteh]

Well they do, Rooney is world class, Saha is in top form even though he didn't really get to show it in the world cup, 4 top class defenders in Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic & Heinze & good set up mid-fielders that if play well as it unit has a real of winning the premiership.

2 Strikers, 4 Defenders, a midfield so good you won't name them. It's an alright team granted. But it's not a squad anywhere near as good as Chelsea's or even Liverpool's. Couple of injuries and Man Utd are in trouble.

 

[Loony BoB]

Since you people claim any discussion by a Man Utd fan is defensive, I'll point out that this isn't a defensive post, just a post to assist people with deciding on how bad our squad really is (with my perspective put on a few players)...

We do have just two top class strikers (Saha, Rooney), yes. I'd say we have 5-6 top class defenders (Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Vidic, Heinze and maybe Silvestre, although he's only good for attacking rather than defending, despite his position) and five top class midfielders (Giggs, Ronaldo, Scholes, Park, Carrick).

Beyond that, we have Richardson (could be good), Evra (hated that signing), Smith (utility player), O'Shea (utility player), Miller (soon to be out), Ole (ol' and past it - although if he continues pre-season form he might actually be notable against the lesser sides), Flet;aighaehtopyieqwpt (a;leihawgawh[[aghi), Piqué (soon to be loaned) and all those young blokes who hang out in the reserves and at Royal Antwerp. Oh, and Foster, who apparently is a fantastic goalie in the making, but I'll save judgement and more so hope that Van der Sar doesn't get injured so we won't even need him.

 

[Goughy]

(with my perspective put on a few players)...

We do have just two top class strikers (Saha, Rooney), yes. I'd say we have 5-6 top class defenders (Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Vidic, Heinze and maybe Silvestre, although he's only good for attacking rather than defending, despite his position) and five top class midfielders (Giggs, Ronaldo, Scholes, Park, Carrick).

Your perspective seems to be that they are all top class. We obviously have different definitions of the term.

I would put Rooney, Heinze and maybe Neville in that category
as for the rest
Saha- Certainly unproven at a club this big. Cannot be expected to play a full season and score 20 goals
Ferdinand- Underskilled in the most important aspects of defending (reading the game and takling). Really needs to be partnered with the right player to be successful and allow his strenghts to show.
Brown- Never quite fulfilled the promise he showed years back.
Vidic- Don't know enough about him to pass comment
Silvestre- Decent player that many clubs would love but may not quite be of the quality required
Giggs- On the downside of his career but still capable of making contributions
Ronaldo- Talented with poor productivity. No where near as quick as he looks and still could be classed as lightweight even after years of development
Scholes- On the downside of his career but still capable of making contributions
Park- Exceptional squad player with a low centre of gravity and the ability to change games, but is he really of the quality to be a mainstay of the 1st XI over a full season?
Carrick- Still unproven and with many doubts over how he actually makes teams better.

United have a very thin squad and personnally I doubt they are capable of finishing in the top 2 let alone with the thing.

 

[Loony BoB]

I didn't say "the best in the world at their position", I said "top class". I'd have to agree that our definitions/opinions differ, certainly, though. Oddly enough you actually have a bit more praise for Silvestre than most United fans would.

EDIT: Saha, should he survive the season, should certainly be able to score 20+ goals. He scored 9 goals in 12 games late last season, and that was mostly from the bench, too.

 

[Goughy]

I didn't say "the best in the world at their position", I said "top class". I'd have to agree that our definitions/opinions differ, certainly, though. Oddly enough you actually have a bit more praise for Silvestre than most United fans would.
.

Would most United fans take Brown over Silvestre? I try an visualise what I think their real levels are. I think Silvestre would do a good job at Liverpool but I don't see Brown standing out if he dropped down a level to the Middles or Villa level.

Im interested to find out if you (and others) would put Brown ahead of Silvestre

 

[TT Boy]

your points about adriano and toni are fair enough, indeed adriano has the abilities that you list, i just wouldnt call him devastating, toni where i appreciate he works hard, that much is evident, i just dont see him as a particularly brilliant player, although i would love tp be proved wrong.

Trezeguet on the other hand, i have never see play well, sure he may score goals, so does duncan ferguson, his ability on and off the ball strikes me as being clumsy and inneficient, his failure to perform on the big stages mean to me he is average at best, although watching him in serie A make him appear to me at being a rather oafish, uncomitted, sluggish and un-skillful individual.

At the same rate as Trezeguet?

 

[Loony BoB]

Would most United fans take Brown over Silvestre? I try an visualise what I think their real levels are. I think Silvestre would do a good job at Liverpool but I don't see Brown standing out if he dropped down a level to the Middles or Villa level.

Im interested to find out if you (and others) would put Brown ahead of Silvestre

God, yes. Silvestre can't mark a man for anything and his tackling his horrid. Brown is more likely to clear a ball or come in from nowhere than any of the other defenders outside of maybe Vidic. Ferdinand is a guy that's hard to get past but once you do, you're past him - Brown and Vidic are more people who will run back if needed. Silvestre is better at running down the side of the pitch, passing and crossing than Brown, certainly - but Brown is as SAF puts it "the best natural defender in the Premiership" - he will get the ball away from the goal, and that's what a central midfielder should do first and foremost.

 

[BoyBrumby]

At the same rate as Trezeguet?

No. I may be wrong, but I don't think he's scored 10 league goals in a season since he left Dundee United. Without doubt the biggest waste of talent in football.

 

[marc71178]

Facts are facts, not propoganda.

Except those things you posted were not facts.

GeraintIsMyHero - They didn't get mugged - it's expected they'll get £12-14m even if we don't win the PL & CL. That's a fair price for him, I'd say.

It's a downfee of £14m, far more than he's realistically worth.

 

[marc71178]

I didn't say "the best in the world at their position", I said "top class".

Yes, and Saha isn't.