Shane Warne vs Dale Steyn

[Sliferxxxx]

I don't want three bowlers from the same era. Seems off. And McGrath is a bit better than Hadlee.

McGrath may be better than Paddles and that's a big may be but there's not a big enough gulf there to make up for the difference in batting. The era thing i don't really agree with but hey, it's your reasoning.

 

[sayon basak]

Imran, Bumrah, McGrath, Warne

1) Marshall is the best bowler in my team, so no, he isn't getting replaced anytime soon.
2) Bumrah is not approaching Marshall, as simple as that.

 

[Coronis]

If you're trying to get a rise out of Kyear please do it with another cricketer because Marshall ain't the one dude.

I agree. Marshall is not him. Not the one.

 

[subshakerz]

1) Marshall is the best bowler in my team, so no, he isn't getting replaced anytime soon.
2) Bumrah is not approach Marshall, as simple as that.

I mean, I agree

 

[subshakerz]

McGrath may be better than Paddles and that's a big may be but there's not a big enough gulf there to make up for the difference in batting. The era thing i don't really agree with but hey, it's your reasoning.

I don't think we need no.9 to be a bowling AR.

 

[DrWolverine]

Bumrah is not approach Marshall, as simple as that.

For now he is doing very well.
Let us what will happen in the future

 

[kyear2]

Lara is better than Sachin by a close yet clear margin.

Murali is EASILY a better spinner than Warne. Like half a level above him.

Idiots who never watch a single game and just come here to spout biased rubbish cant see these facts though.

I've watched them both, more Warne than Murali of course.

Well before I joined the forum I always saw Warne as more of a threat, and just the little things. The ball going away always seemed tougher to face.

And it's leg spin, the most difficult art to master, well at least one of the 3 that I found most daunting.

I recall growing up going out and trying to bowl like Marshall, Ambrose, Bishop, Waqar, etc etc, but Warne , Warne was the trickiest, the hardest to control.

So I guess, that like @Johan it was never not Warne?

 

[honestbharani]

haha.. I was obviously exaggerating to make a point. But to me, its plain dumb to disregard what a genius Murali was, as a bowler. You have seen the clips of him flipping the coin off a glass placed on top of the stumps right? When every other bowler either could not hit the glass or broke it. He had the coin flipped off without displacing the glass even an mm.

 

[kyear2]

Its as serious as salty's posts.

BTW, I do pick Warne over Murali in my ATG XI as I value his extra batting and slip catching and will bat him at 8.

I bat him at 9, and for me he's not quality enough for the cordon and is slotted in at gully. But understand the point.

To me he was better at 3rd than at 1st, but so was Viv and Vivian was leagues above him at 3rd. At 1st I saw him drop or barely catch a few too much there, so not quite.

 

[kyear2]

Warne @ 9
Marshall 10

McGrath will be the only guy who can’t bat

I can't be the only person who watched them both bat and knew that Marshall was better than he was.

 

[sayon basak]

And it's leg spin, the most difficult art to master.

It's kinda misleading. The art that Murali mastered wasn't simple finger spin. It was wrist spin and finger spin combined, an art that no one mastered before, and no one ever will.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Murali and Warne were both wrist spinners

 

[kyear2]

I mean it could be Steyn in at 11 as I feel he would do better as a 3rd seamer but I feel him and Marshall are similar type bowlers and I would want a keep it tight off a length bowler as my 3rd fast bowler and I feel Ambrose is still the best at it even though he took the new ball almost all the time. McGrath would be fine too but somehow in my mind, Ambrose was always almost unhittable.

Wouldn't Wasim be your third seamer?

Ambrose in the late 80's, early 90's was faster, more aggressive and still just as unhittable.

Think McGrath was just a little bit better over their entire careers, and just the perfect partner for Marshall.

Marshall, McGrath, Wasim, Warne and Sobers is just the perfect, most varied, skilled and adaptable attack.

Literally everything is there.

 

[Migara]

Asif vs Warne would have been a real match. Drug cheating and fixing, a match made in hell.

 

[Migara]

It's kinda misleading. The art that Murali mastered wasn't simple finger spin. It was wrist spin and finger spin combined, an art that no one mastered before, and no one ever will.

There is at least one I could think of who used the wrist, it is Erapalli Prasanna. But not to the degree as Murali.

The whole idea of finger spinners not using the wrist is bull crap. Better finger spinners have a strong wrist flick, not extension to flexion but radial to ulnar deviation. The ones who have the strongest flicks spin the ball most. Otherwise they have to use other techniques as curving the index finger on the ball (Saqlain, Swann), or use the middle finger (Yardley) etc. The wrist flick allows change of pace with same arm speed. Lyon, Jadeja, Moeen Ali, Prabath Jayasuriya all have that distinct flick. That is why these guys are masters in controlling the pace on the ball.

 

[sayon basak]

There is at least one I could think of who used the wrist, it is Erapalli Prasanna. But not to the degree as Murali.

The whole idea of finger spinners not using the wrist is bull crap. Better finger spinners have a strong wrist flick, not extension to flexion but radial to ulnar deviation. The ones who have the strongest flicks spin the ball most. Otherwise they have to use other techniques as curving the index finger on the ball (Saqlain, Swann), or use the middle finger (Yardley) etc. The wrist flick allows change of pace with same arm speed. Lyon, Jadeja, Moeen Ali, Prabath Jayasuriya all have that distinct flick. That is why these guys are masters in controlling the pace on the ball.

Duh. Every off spinner uses the wrist, just like how every wrist spinner uses the fingers. But did any off spinner spin the ball by the ring finger? Don't think so.

 

[kyear2]

I'm not. If his average was generally higher in most circumstances I'd say that it's a problem for Murali. But it's not. But the haters cherrypick a negative perfect storm conditions to prove he had some holes when it's not really valid.

I use a similar workload argument for saying if push comes to shove Hadlee > Marshall. But generally I just put them all in the same tier, as leaders of their attacks in different quality teams who all did as well as they could possibly be expected to do.

Warne is different because I think he was generally in a perfect storm in his favor to an extent that vastly exceeds any of the others.

First off, there's no haters, no one here hates Murali. One of the craziest phrases.

Yes, Warne had better help up front to get rid of some of the top order guys, but Murali also had home pitches that were made for him. He also had full a cess to the tail. There's a trade off, especially with regards to wpm.

Having great support doesn't make you great, you have it or you don't.

 

[vidiq]

Asif vs Warne would have been a real match. Drug cheating and fixing, a match made in hell.

Vs macgill

 

[Migara]

Duh. Every off spinner uses the wrist, just like how every wrist spinner uses the fingers. But did any off spinner spin the ball by the ring finger? Don't think so.

Middle finger is right there at the top of the seam. There is a clip he demonstrates it. Cannot find it.

Ring finger - Yes. Almost all front of the hand leg breaks are spun that way. Varun Chakravarthy spins his carom ball from the ring finger instead of middle

 

[honestbharani]

Wouldn't Wasim be your third seamer?

Nah.. I would give Marshall and Wasim the new ball so they can hoop it around and I would want the tall hit the deck bowler to be my 3rd seamer and I just feel Ambrose, with his skillsets, will be better than McGrath. But its really just cherry picking at that point. IMO, Ambrose is probably likelier to be that slight bit more useful to the team than McGrath in that 3rd seamer role, so I pick Ambrose.