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Shane Warne vs Dale Steyn

Warne vs Steyn

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Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

First Class Debutant
subshakerz said:
My top 10 greatest are Bradman, Sobers, Tendulkar, Viv, Imran, Hobbs, Hadlee, Marshall, Warne, Murali.
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Subz and this is with all due respect no. Let's just ignore the pundits, and all that other bs. I'd rank your list thusly:

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Sachin
Hobbs
Warne/Murali/Viv
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Sliferxxxx said:
Subz and this is with all due respect no. Let's just ignore the pundits, and all that other bs. I'd rank your list thusly:

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Sachin
Hobbs
Warne/Murali/Viv
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Subz has been rating Sachin as a greater cricketer than Imran for a while tho.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sliferxxxx said:
Subz and this is with all due respect no. Let's just ignore the pundits, and all that other bs. I'd rank your list thusly:

Bradman
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
Sachin
Hobbs
Warne/Murali/Viv
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I do factor in peer and pundit opinion but I allow a level of divergence based on what I perceive to be gaps or values in the record that may be unnoticed. I don't want a list completely at odds with how the cricket fraternity sees things.
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

First Class Debutant
subshakerz said:
Imran has a better record but when you factor in legacy and contribution to the game and overall standing, Tendulkar is marginally greater.
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Contribution to the game and legacy donot win you matches. Hadlee carried NZ in the 80s and won them a series vs one of two best teams ever. Sachin has done nothing close to that. Imran almost did the same and helped pioneer reverse swing. Pity NZ is/was such a small market.

Sachin was a great batsman, nothing more and nothing less. He carried India's batting but the other two carried their teams. Their primary skills objectively cancel out Sachins but secondary smokes his. Only thing I'd give Sachin credit for, relatively speaking is his longevity. I'm starting to think Sir Richard Hadlee is severely underrated though.
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

First Class Debutant
subshakerz said:
I do factor in peer and pundit opinion but I allow a level of divergence based on what I perceive to be gaps or values in the record that may be unnoticed. I don't want a list completely at odds with how the cricket fraternity sees things.
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Wow. Well then allow me the opportunity to change your mind. You're starting a team tomorrow and you have choice of cricketers to include. Bradman and Sobers are gone. You're telling me you think Sachin would be more valuable over Imran and Paddles??
 
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Arachnödouche2.0

U19 Cricketer
Warne for me here and many other such comparisons too. Hardest skill in the game to master with any degree of consistency, accuracy, and longevity. Sure nobody held a gun to his head to bowl legspin and in the greater reckoning only cold stats matter - though I'm not sure how you quantify spin vs pace in that the two skillsets have such different MOs and are more symbiotic than adversarial in any well-balanced team - but anyway, I still find myself allotting Warne the credit due him.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sliferxxxx said:
Contribution to the game and legacy donot win you matches. Hadlee carried NZ in the 80s and won them a series vs one of two best teams ever. Sachin has done nothing close to that. Imran almost did the same and helped pioneer reverse swing. Pity NZ is/was such a small market.

Sachin was a great batsman, nothing more and nothing less. He carried India's batting but the other two carried their teams. Their primary skills objectively cancel out Sachins but secondary smokes his. Only thing I'd give Sachin credit for, relatively speaking is his longevity. I'm starting to think Sir Richard Hadlee is severely underrated though.
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Ok but let's think broadly. Cricket isn't just winning games. It's also skill at batting and bowling and opening possibility to what that skill can achieve at the highest levels of proficiency and possibility, and evolving those skills.

I am looking at cricketers as the greatest who don't just have great results but opened uncharted territory in cricket based on the highest level of skill.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
smash84 said:
How do you define contribution to the game?
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Contribution to their team success, contribution to their skillset, contribution to expanding the scope of the game (a bit amorphous I know, but greatness can be like that).
 
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