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Dennis Lillee vs Ray Lindwall
- Thread starter Johan
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Thala_0710
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No space for Cummins?
Johan
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I'd personally end any man who has Cummins over Lindwall or Lillee.
Thala_0710
State Captain
He can go toe to toe with Davidson though
Johan
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
Cummins>Lillee very soon
Johan
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If this was 2022, I'd agree with you, Cummins seems to have faded in his consistency so No.
PlayerComparisons
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Dennis
Wow you must hate greatness I guess.
Johan
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I hate definitive premature judgement on a player's career yes.
Disappointing to hear, hopefully that's fixed one day.
Johan
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there's nothing to fix, being conservative about rating a player over Elites when he has years upon years left in his career is logical.
There's conservatism and there's this disease. Really not the same thing.
Johan
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Not rating Cummins over Lillee is a disease? Wow, really interesting, I guess the majority of the site is terminally ill.
It's not just about Lillee though, unless you mistyped Lindwall there for some bizarre reason. I can understand Lillee over Cummins, but there's basically like 1-2 AUS pacers to have over Cummins regardless at this point of his career.
Johan
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I disagree, Lindwall has a more impressive record away from home and averaged lower than Cummins's going into his initial retirement.
sayon basak
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Pat Cummins will surely end up close to both, maybe even better.
Davidson is top 16/17 for me ig, so close enough to be in the conversation at least.
Johan
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Okay?
will "end up" close? sure, then I'll rate him close when he "ends up" close, most agree that he lost a step since the 2022-23 BGT, it's completely fine to be conservative and wary about him.
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Away/Neutral combined
Lindwall: Avg 23.95 SR 61, overall pacers Avg 25.83 SR 70.4
Cummins: Avg 26.23 SR 50.5, overall pacers Avg 32.17 SR 58.0
Seems to be a case of bigger SR gap vs bigger Avg gap. Don't think it's as far apart as you seem to believe.
Johan
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I mean duh, Batsmen in the 50s played more defensive Cricket than the Batsmen of modern era so naturally one would've a higher economy (Cummins) and one would've a higher strike rate (Cummins). Average is a better metric and Lindwall's superiority away in that regard is clear.