Ian Botham vs Shaun Pollock

[subshakerz]

The Jack Sparrow scene:
"You are the worst bat to average 30+ and scored 1000+"
"But I did that"

Sure but I would argue in terms of match impact Botham's bowling and batting collectively outweigh Pollocks since he had so many soft runs frankly.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sure but I would argue in terms of match impact Botham's bowling and batting collectively outweigh Pollocks since he had so many soft runs frankly.

I don't think 7 RPI is enough for 5 Avg in bowling frankly, anyways you put it.

 

[Johan]

I don't think 7 RPI is enough for 5 Avg in bowling frankly, anyways you put it.

there's also 27 fifers and 14 hundreds vs 16 fifers and 2 hundreds

 

[capt_Luffy]

there's also 27 fifers and 14 hundreds vs 16 fifers and 2 hundreds

Botham was high impact, low consistency.

 

[Johan]

Botham was high impact, low consistency.

yeah but I'd argue that in the long term that wins you more games, and that's the point of Cricket

 

[subshakerz]

Botham was high impact, low consistency.

This is true. But I think cumulatively he impacted his team more than Pollock, though you can argue Pollock with the ball was more consistent in off games.

 

[subshakerz]

yeah but I'd argue that in the long term that wins you more games, and that's the point of Cricket

This is why in the end I have Botham in the ATG England XI. I imagine in a series he will fail more times than most but when he delivers he can near solo win a game.

 

[capt_Luffy]

yeah but I'd argue that in the long term that wins you more games, and that's the point of Cricket

This is true. But I think cumulatively he impacted his team more than Pollock, though you can argue Pollock with the ball was more consistent in off games.

Personally don't rate them much higher than people with similar numbers who are much more consistent.

 

[Coronis]

yeah but I'd argue that in the long term that wins you more games, and that's the point of Cricket

I wonder how many games Botham lost for England tho tbh

 

[Johan]

I wonder how many games Botham lost for England tho tbh

probably not many barring some against Windies, which England would lose one way or the other

 

[sayon basak]

View attachment 45900

She's beautiful.

 

[capt_Luffy]

She's beautiful.

@Johan ..............

 

[capt_Luffy]

She's beautiful.

Btw the main hero cooks her, keeps her in his freezer and little by little eats her.

 

[Johan]

She's beautiful.

down bad holy ****

 

[sayon basak]

Btw the main hero cooks her, keeps her in his freezer and little by little eats her.

Anime sounds thrash. WWE is better, at least nobody eats anyone......I guess.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Shaun Pollock had a great record in his first 8 years.
78 Tests. 318 wickets. Avg of 20.8.
78 Tests. 2858 runs. Avg of 34.85.

I wish he retired at this point

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

voted Pollock, Pollock easily a superior bowler in his peak, Botham easily a superior batsman in his peak, so used the rest of their careers as the tiebreaker.

Overall, Pollock was never near good enough a bat and his average is inflated further by the 2000s period and minnows. He has an RPI of 24 and is well below even Kapil level.

If you're docking Pollock's batting for the 2000s era (probably fair) are you also giving him a boost for bowling on those same pitches?

 

[subshakerz]

If you're docking Pollock's batting for the 2000s era (probably fair) are you also giving him a boost for bowling on those same pitches?

Sure but he was only worldclass for a few years in that period, and of course he still had SA home pitches.

 

[honestbharani]

So obviously Polock's runs in RSA means double then.

 

[subshakerz]

So obviously Polock's runs in RSA means double then.

He doesn't even average 30 at home.