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Australian all-time ODI XI?

Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
I’m trying to come up with an Australian all-time ODI eleven, but running into some problems.

As a preview, here’s where I am at the moment (you’ll notice, most notably, Dean Jones and Glenn Maxwell missing):
  1. Gilchrist
  2. Warner
  3. Ponting
  4. Hussey
  5. Bevan
  6. Symonds
  7. Watson
  8. Starc
  9. Warne
  10. Lee
  11. McGrath
I’m looking to construct a team that would perform very well in any average era of ODI cricket. I.e., I’m not judging each player by the standards of their time: I’m looking for a team that would be great time traveling. I’m also judging players by their careers overall, not just peaks (but maybe don’t punish a player too much if they retired late).

Let’s start with the certain picks:
  • Warne and McGrath are your best bowlers
  • Gilchrist takes the gloves
  • Ponting and Bevan bat in the middle order
  • Starc is probably the next-best ODI bowler, and offers a left-arm option with a load of swing
Then, you get the questions:
  • For the remaining ODI bowler, do you pick Brett Lee or Dennis Lillee? I’m inclined to pick a bowler with more variations, who can bowl at the death if required.
  • Dean Jones was the best batter in the world for a fair amount of time, so should he take Hussey’s, Symonds’s, or Watson’s spot? At the same time, he wasn’t a very quick-scoring player – and in my view, while shorter boundaries and flatter pitches have helped, the modern norm of quick-scoring batting leads to better ODI batting and would have made players successful back in his time (of course, he could score quickly, but on the whole), so I’m inclined to prefer Hussey; and Symonds and Watson are allrounders.
  • Glenn Maxwell has immense potential to be high-impact. He’s not nearly as consistent as someone like Symonds, and a worse bowler, but with a generally consistent team, maybe you want a player who is inconsistent but, at their best, can produce one of the all-time best ODI knocks. There’s maybe a case to make Watson open instead of Warner, then, to accommodate Maxwell (or to do the same thing for Dean Jones); or even replace Symonds. But Warner feels far too strong as on opener.
  • Should we be trying to accommodate Steve Waugh or Greg Chappell for allround options in the middle?
I’m curious where people would go. I’d guess the place where my views diverge most from people is on the exclusion of Jones.
 

Gob

International Coach
Can't not have 07 version of Hayden.

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Watson
Warne
Lee
Starc
McGrath
 

Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
Can't not have 07 version of Hayden.

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Watson
Warne
Lee
Starc
McGrath
As noted in the post above: “I’m also judging players by their careers overall, not just peaks,” so you don’t get just the 07 version! (Still a good opener cumulatively, of course.)
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
I’m trying to come up with an Australian all-time ODI eleven, but running into some problems.

As a preview, here’s where I am at the moment (you’ll notice, most notably, Dean Jones and Glenn Maxwell missing):
  1. Gilchrist
  2. Warner
  3. Ponting
  4. Hussey
  5. Bevan
  6. Symonds
  7. Watson
  8. Starc
  9. Warne
  10. Lee
  11. McGrath
Here's an alternative XI which is slightly weaker, but would still win 4/10 matches against them. It is possibly a stronger (definitely deeper) batting lineup than the 1st team.

Hayden
Head
M. Waugh
Jones
G. Chappell
Carey
Maxwell
O'Donnell
B Hogg
Bracken
Lillee

(Maxwell and O'Donnell would be promoted if quick runs were needed).
 

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