Aus xi vs WI xi vs SA xi (since 1970)

[Johan]

WI has like 7 cricketers I would consider ATGs -Maco. Ambrose. Holding. Garner. Richards. Lara. Sobers.

Australia has more.

Ponting. Chappell. Border. Smith. McGrath. Lillee. Warne. Gilchrist.

 

[DrWolverine]

I feel WI team overall has better bowlers & batsmen
Yes Gilchrist is the one factor that Aus over WI

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Let’s cheat and remove an opener so Waugh can come in

Then the whole team apart from Hayden is ATGs

 

[Johan]

@capt_Luffy do you have Harvey as Victor's partner in your AT Aus XI?

 

[capt_Luffy]

@capt_Luffy do you have Harvey as Victor's partner in your AT Aus XI?

Lol would be an interesting sight NGL.

 

[Johan]

Lol would be an interesting sight NGL.

probably very successful too, on tough pitches especially

 

[Coronis]

Let’s cheat and remove an opener so Waugh can come in

Then the whole team apart from Hayden is ATGs

Not quite ready to call Cummins ATG

But lets cheat and put Smith as an opener.

 

[capt_Luffy]

probably very successful too, on tough pitches especially

Yeah honestly, I can totally see Harvey out batting someone like Hayden or Simpson while opening.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I think in real life the best batsmen would be picked even if it’s means batting out of position

 

[Coronis]

I think in real life the best batsmen would be picked even if it’s means batting out of position

Probably. I don’t know if there’s that big of a difference that would cause them to change from an established opener though. Tough.

 

[subshakerz]

Greenidge isn’t discernibly better than Hayden. Lara and Smith, the same. Richards and Chappell, again similar. Gap between Lloyd and Border/Ponting is easily bigger than the gap between Sobers and Border/Ponting. Plus then you have the Langer and Haynes. Not to mention the absolutely massive gap between Gilchrist and Dujon - which far overshadows any other perceived gap in batting depending on our own personal ratings.

Small gaps between Greenidge and Hayden, Viv and Ponting, Lara and Chappell and Sobers and Border make up for the perceived larger gaps elsewhere. Reality is that WI bats are more suited to the opposition bowling and pitches IMO than Aussie bats.

There are also high quality players of pace. In fact, moreso than spin. And Garner is quite a similar bowler to Ambrose. Whereas you have Warne who can bowl all day, and bowls a completely different style to his team, keeping the opponents on their feet. You have Marshall and McGrath ar the aame level, Warne and Ambrose at the same level, Lillee and Garner/Holding at the same level and Cummins a bit behind that. The inclusion of Warne and his spin easily makes up for that gap.

Warne is the relative weak link since he will be less than worldclass in first innings, be more vulnerable against highest quality players of spin to being tonked around. Also if we are playing in the 2000s, he averages over 30 at home.

WI bowling will squeeze the life out of Australia.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Which team is the strongest?

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv
Lara
Lloyd
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
McGrath

Barry
Smith
Amla
Pollock
Kallis
De Villiers
De Kock
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Van der Bijl

Fwiw I'd prefer Fredricks for Haynes honestly.

 

[reyrey]

Reshuffle to bring in S Waugh for Langer.

Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
S Waugh
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
McGrath

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Crazy to think Australia's XI is already as good as WI and WI more or less has all it's Atg XI players. Add Bradman and maybe a Lindwall/Davidson it's awash.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Which team is the strongest?

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv
Lara
Lloyd
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
McGrath

Barry
Smith
Amla
Pollock
Kallis
De Villiers
De Kock
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Van der Bijl

Taking a shot at a 2nd XI for the first two teams just for schitts and giggles:

WI

Gayle
Fredricks
Richardson*
Kallicharan
Chanderpaul
Rowe
Jacobs+
Roberts
Bishop
Croft
Walsh

Aus

Khawaja
Taylor
Boon
Hussey
S Waugh*
Martyn
Healey+
Gillespie
Starc
Haze
Lyons

 

[Johan]

my all time XI for WI

Worrell (C)
Greenidge
Headley
Viv
Lara
Sobers
Walcott (WK)
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose
Holding

1st XI

Hunte
Fredericks
Kanhai
Weekes
Lloyd (C)
Chanderpaul
Dujon (WK)
Roberts
Gibbs
Walsh
Hall

2nd XI

Gayle
Haynes
Kalicharan
Richardson
Nurse
Chanderpaul
Jacobs
Constantine
Bishop
Croft
Ramadhin

 

[Coronis]

Taking a shot at a 2nd XI for the first two teams just for schitts and giggles:

WI

Gayle
Fredricks
Richardson*
Kallicharan
Chanderpaul
Rowe
Jacobs+
Roberts
Bishop
Croft
Walsh

Aus

Khawaja
Taylor
Boon
Hussey
S Waugh*
Martyn
Healey+
Gillespie
Starc
Haze
Lyons

Surely Clarke gets a run over Boon or Martyn.

 

[DrWolverine]

The biggest advantage for west indies team is their fast bowlers. Marshall, Ambrose, Holding and Garner can pretty much bowl out any opposition.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Surely Clarke gets a run over Boon or Martyn.

You know i thought about him but his record outside of Australia leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[DrWolverine]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
McGrath

This bowling lineup cannot defeat the WestIndies team in Asian pitches especially Indian pitches.

Warne : Averages 43 in India.

McGrath : Good overall record. Zero 5-Fer in 8 Tests in India and 1 5-Fer in 19 Tests in Asia.

Lillie : Never played in India. Took just 6 wickets in 4 Tests in Pak & SL.

Cummins : Averages 30 in 9 Tests in Asia with 1 5-Fer.